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thoughts and thinking
upekka
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what is the difference between thought and thinking?
should we stop thoughts?
can we stop thoughts?
why do the thoughts come in the first place?
should we stop thoughts?
can we stop thoughts?
why do the thoughts come in the first place?
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yes, when necessary
yes
mostly ignorance, sometimes wisdom
It depends whether they need stopping.
Yes.... but again the question arises... why should we?
Because that's what we're designed to do.....
Thinking is not entirely negative.
And if thoughts are beneficial, positive & constructive, they should be encouraged, not suppressed.
Thoughts are nothing but trouble and should be erradicated entirely.
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in other words because there is no ignorance and there is no paticca samuppada
thoughts come and go
there is no thinking on thoughts so there is no living in the past or planning to live in the future
mindfulness of the present moment
WOW!!!
Wisdom Omnipresent Wisdom !!!
after six years of reading, practising Buddha's Teaching and thinking of 'thought and thinking', i come to the following conclusion:
'thoughts' include the past knowledge, reading, listening, thinking itself and there is no future resultant kamma invove
'thinking' is thinking on 'thoughts' and thinking is kamma creation for future resultant kamma
what do you say?
Does the Buddha have thoughts?
we all (Buddha, Arahants and all worldlings) have thoughts
we worldlings think on thoughts and talk and do accordingly
Buddahs and Arahnts do not think on thougts, they do not plan on thoughts
I would say there is a lot of truth in what you say.
However it is a little more complex. Karma is more than thoughts. It is also the body and its circumstances. Have we for example 'thought ourself' into a karma free situation and body?
Are we free of the memes and cultural thoughts and influences of others?
"Thoughts" and "Thinking," no matter what some moderator said six years ago are both Nouns. But grammar really is quite beside the point here.
1) Thought is the object thought about and, thinking is the subjective indulgence we thinking beings partake of in concerning such objects and our relationship to them. But neither thoughts nor our thinking could reasonably be construed as products either of one or the other. A thought can be said to be complete when it is entirely past-tense. But "thinking" itself can never be relegated entirely to the past, or if it is so relegated, then it crosses a semantic hurdle and is then called "Thought." Indeed, the very word "thought" is preterite and past participle. A thought, therefore, is like a snapshot; whereas "thinking" is a living, changing organism, as it were.
It is enough for our thoughts to be worthy and kind and for our thinking to be unclouded, open, and desiring of the welfare of all.
can thoughts and thinking happen without words (language)?
Yes. Imagery. I can visualise scenes without having any commentary.
Emotions are also considered 'thoughts' by some Buddhists, also abstract concepts are thought of by mathematicians, physicists, philosophers. Music can certainly be thought of as wordless.
Clearly thoughts are not the only thing going on in the mind, there are emotions, images, all kinds of stuff. When the mind is really quiet you can get a better sense of this.
Both can be nouns, both can be verbs.
"I'm thinking of something blue."
Thinking is a verb.
"The thinking was that . . . "
Thinking is a noun.
(Thinking is also a noun in the sentence "Thinking is a verb.")
"I thought about it."
Thought is a verb.
"Here's a thought."
Thought is a noun.
It's interesting, and I think surprising, that we don't have very many words to choose from here, and the words we do have are ambiguous. Makes it tricky to precisely express our thoughts. Or our thinking.
That's very thoughtful of you @Steve_B
Move your awareness from your head to your heart. Try to hold your awareness there. Practice keeping your awareness there instead of at your head. That should help not think so much.
Here's the thing... I don't believe you can force your thinking to stop. But when your subconscious mind clearly sees that there's greater joy in having less thoughts, then it will happen naturally.
i found, at a subtle level even images and emotions, and anything comes within has something to do with words and our attachment to those words make us react
We can pay more attention to the space between our thoughts than the thoughts themselves and expand those spaces.
Any thoughts that come in words have spaces between them.
True @David, that is what i have been trying
No thinker without thoughts. No thinker even with thoughts.
Do we know what our next thought will be? If not, how could we be their owner?
If we are not thoughts, then what are we?
Who would you be without the thought?
What happens, when you believe that thought?
B. Katie
PS.
Just thinking aloud about thoughts and thinking.
I think it's what they call Papanca.
Thought itself is the thinker, it hooks one line and sinker.
there's no time to think -before one starts to lip sync
true, there are spaces in between 'a thought/word'
we attached to 'a thought/word' because of our ignorance
we don't know 'a thought/word' came to an empty space
so we start to build with our thinking bricks and the whole building of 'thinking and thoughts' is an illusion
form is emptiness
emptiness is form
I wish I could remember what it was like to think before I knew words.
Oh well. That's a pitfall of being in the information sharing game. Eventually someone decides to label junk out of convenience and it turns to necessity just like all conveniences do.
Yes, it's as if giving something a name/label objectifies it, makes it more real somehow...of perhaps it is more about differentiating one thing from another?
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I have trouble with papanca. Before I know it I am washed out to sea, floundering for shore (remind self:swim parallet to shore). Thanissao Bhikkhu says there is a moment we often don't catch where we say,'I'm going to check out that thought!' And that little noticed intention suddenly finds our mind's attention on another continent. Or if the process cascades, into a full/blown papanca panicky mindstorm. Only thing that work is to regulate and calm the breathing. Otherwise, my mind presents a loud bill of goods of everything wrong with my circumstances and station in life and starts roaming thtu the past in search of yet more bad evidence of not measuring up. Papancapalooza. No fun. How do others cope with runsway thought?
@Dhammika says, "No fun. How do others cope with runsway thought?"
Boy, do I need some tricks of the trade for that. I think in pictures a lot, so I use that imagination and put it to good use. I do my best to immediately pop a picture into my thoughts that will cue me to stop them. E.g., my thoughts are a smallish dog on one of those modern leashes and click the button to bring the dog back to me, and therefore control my wandering thoughts.
Funny, @silver. Thannissaro Bhikkhu uses a similar image somewhere in which he describes walking a dog on a very long leash and the thing getting tangled on light posts, bushes, hydrants and whatnot and us having to go and untangle the leash. The dog being our attention, of course.
Personally @Dhammika I used to suffer a lot with papanca - I just kept practicing and it settled down, patiently and gently returning to the breath every time I got lost.