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Milk
There have been quiet a few threads about why people do or don't eat meat, so I'd like to start a discussion on a related topic - milk. I've personally put way too much time into studying nutrition and feel it's important to ask certain questions that challenge what people think they know.
I don't drink milk. Nobody even asks why we think it's acceptable to drink a cow's milk as a human being. We are the only species in the world who thinks it's 'normal' to drink the milk of another animal, and even more so, to drink milk as an adult! Cows milk is custom made for baby cows, hence the casein in it (which is designed to make the infant addicted to the milk, so baby cow comes back for more and can grow from a 90 pound calf into a 2000 pound cow in 2 years). The only reason we drink cows milk instead of chimpanzee milk is because it's easy to house and control many cows together in factory farms. There is no difference. It's marketed as being healthy and vital in your diet, but the calcium in milk is bound to its protein complement, casein. Without the rennin, neither casein nor its nutrient complement, calcium, can be absorbed into the digestive system. The high protein content of milk actually leeches calcium from our bones - this was found in a study conducted by the National Dairy Council itself. Mammals need the enzyme lactase to digest lactose, and between the ages of 18 months to 4 years we lose 90 - 95 percent of this enzyme. The undigested lactose and the acidic nature of pasteurized milk causes the growth of bacteria in our intestines, and cancel cells thrive in these kinds of conditions. When you look at multiple studies from Harvard, Yale, Penn State, and the National Institutes of Health, not one of them found milk to be a deterrent of osteoporosis.
Dairy has also been linked to: anemia, acne, anxiety, arthritis, ADD, ADHD, fibromyalgia, headaches, heartburn, indigestion, irritable bowel syndrome, joint pain, osteoporosis, and poor immune function, allergies, ear infections, colic, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, autism, Crohn's disease, breast and prostate cancer, as well as ovarian cancer. It is common knowledge in the research field that dairy is bad for you. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent every year to advertise the health benefits of milk in order for them to rake in billions of dollars in return. The average consumer doesn't pick up the latest Medical Journal for bath time reading, however they do watch TV and read gossip magazines.
When you consume dairy, you're consuming antibiotics, pesticides, steroids, and hormones as well as dioxin, one of the most toxic substances found in the world.
Cows are also injected with bovine growth hormone. Under normal circumstances, a cow would produce 10 pounds of milk per day, and only when it had a baby. Factory farmers have their cows producing up to a hundred pounds per day. Cows are milked by a machine, metal clamps are attached to the cows' sensitive udders, which become sore and infected. Pus forms, and in result, the machines suck the dead white blood cells into the milk. To fight off all this bacteria, milk must be pasteurized, but this process destroys beneficial enzymes and makes calcium less available without even ridding the milk of all harmful bacteria. Even radioactive particles have been found in milk. Ridiculously high levels of pesticides meet government standards.
You can get much higher levels of manganese, chromium, selenium, and magnesium from fruits and vegetables, which are also high in boron, which helps lesson the loss of calcium through urine. High amounts of dairy also blocks iron absorption.
Think logically. A mother's milk is for the infant, intended to allow for the biggest growth spurt in that being's entire life. Milk forms no part of a normal diet after the period of infancy. Mother nature did not intend for grownups to suck on their mothers tits.
Instead, get your optimal calcium intake by eating fortified grains, kale, collard greens, mustard greens, cabbage, kelp, seaweed, watercress, chickpeas, broccoli, red beans, soybeans, tofu, seeds (sesame rates highest), and nuts.
Ya I put a lot of time into researching this stuff haha.. little bit nutrition obsessed
I don't drink milk. Nobody even asks why we think it's acceptable to drink a cow's milk as a human being. We are the only species in the world who thinks it's 'normal' to drink the milk of another animal, and even more so, to drink milk as an adult! Cows milk is custom made for baby cows, hence the casein in it (which is designed to make the infant addicted to the milk, so baby cow comes back for more and can grow from a 90 pound calf into a 2000 pound cow in 2 years). The only reason we drink cows milk instead of chimpanzee milk is because it's easy to house and control many cows together in factory farms. There is no difference. It's marketed as being healthy and vital in your diet, but the calcium in milk is bound to its protein complement, casein. Without the rennin, neither casein nor its nutrient complement, calcium, can be absorbed into the digestive system. The high protein content of milk actually leeches calcium from our bones - this was found in a study conducted by the National Dairy Council itself. Mammals need the enzyme lactase to digest lactose, and between the ages of 18 months to 4 years we lose 90 - 95 percent of this enzyme. The undigested lactose and the acidic nature of pasteurized milk causes the growth of bacteria in our intestines, and cancel cells thrive in these kinds of conditions. When you look at multiple studies from Harvard, Yale, Penn State, and the National Institutes of Health, not one of them found milk to be a deterrent of osteoporosis.
Dairy has also been linked to: anemia, acne, anxiety, arthritis, ADD, ADHD, fibromyalgia, headaches, heartburn, indigestion, irritable bowel syndrome, joint pain, osteoporosis, and poor immune function, allergies, ear infections, colic, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, autism, Crohn's disease, breast and prostate cancer, as well as ovarian cancer. It is common knowledge in the research field that dairy is bad for you. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent every year to advertise the health benefits of milk in order for them to rake in billions of dollars in return. The average consumer doesn't pick up the latest Medical Journal for bath time reading, however they do watch TV and read gossip magazines.
When you consume dairy, you're consuming antibiotics, pesticides, steroids, and hormones as well as dioxin, one of the most toxic substances found in the world.
Cows are also injected with bovine growth hormone. Under normal circumstances, a cow would produce 10 pounds of milk per day, and only when it had a baby. Factory farmers have their cows producing up to a hundred pounds per day. Cows are milked by a machine, metal clamps are attached to the cows' sensitive udders, which become sore and infected. Pus forms, and in result, the machines suck the dead white blood cells into the milk. To fight off all this bacteria, milk must be pasteurized, but this process destroys beneficial enzymes and makes calcium less available without even ridding the milk of all harmful bacteria. Even radioactive particles have been found in milk. Ridiculously high levels of pesticides meet government standards.
You can get much higher levels of manganese, chromium, selenium, and magnesium from fruits and vegetables, which are also high in boron, which helps lesson the loss of calcium through urine. High amounts of dairy also blocks iron absorption.
Think logically. A mother's milk is for the infant, intended to allow for the biggest growth spurt in that being's entire life. Milk forms no part of a normal diet after the period of infancy. Mother nature did not intend for grownups to suck on their mothers tits.
Instead, get your optimal calcium intake by eating fortified grains, kale, collard greens, mustard greens, cabbage, kelp, seaweed, watercress, chickpeas, broccoli, red beans, soybeans, tofu, seeds (sesame rates highest), and nuts.
Ya I put a lot of time into researching this stuff haha.. little bit nutrition obsessed
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and yes, you have done a heap of research!!
With Metta
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2003/dec/13/foodanddrink.weekend
With Metta
Early Indo-European people survived on milk and dairy products in their trek from the Russian steppes into Asia and down through Iran to northern India, hence the tradition of the "sacred cow" in India. Cows and other livestock were key to tribal people's survival back then, and cows gave the most milk of all animals. Those early Indo-Europeans also drank goat's milk, sheep's mild and horse milk. Many Asian tribal people still drink fermented mares' milk as a delicacy and sacred drink.
One only consumes pesticides, etc., in dairy if it's not organic. There are options, these days.
I don't mean to sound rude, but did you properly read what I wrote about the calcium in milk?
It's not my opinion, those are scientific facts.
"Children who avoid drinking cow milk have low dietary calcium intakes and poor bone health1,2,3"
http://www.ajcn.org/content/76/3/675.short
"A cause and effect relationship was established between the intake of calcium, either alone or in combination with Vitamin D, and reducing the loss of BMD, which may lead to a reduction in the risk of fracture"
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/scdocs/doc/1609.pdf
Taken from the link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2003/dec/13/foodanddrink.weekend
"It starts in infancy. Frank Oski, former paediatrics director at Johns Hopkins school of medicine, estimated in his book Don't Drink Your Milk! that half of all iron deficiency in US infants results from cows' milk-induced intestinal bleeding - a staggering amount, since more than 15% of American under-twos suffer from iron-deficiency anaemia. The infants, it seems, drink so much milk (which is very low in iron) that they have little appetite left for foods containing iron; at the same time, the milk, by inducing gastrointestinal bleeding, causes iron loss."
also
"The pattern of diet and fractures in other parts of the world is equally revealing. Most Chinese people eat and drink no dairy products, and get all their calcium from vegetables. Yet while they consume only half the calcium of Americans, osteoporosis is uncommon in China, despite an average life expectancy of 70. In South Africa, Bantu women who eat mostly plant protein and only 200-350mg of calcium a day have virtually no osteoporosis, despite bearing on average six children and breastfeeding for prolonged periods. Their African-American brothers and sisters, who ingest on average more than 1,000mg of calcium a day, are nine times more likely to experience hip fractures. Campbell puts it unequivocally: "The association between the intake of animal protein and fracture rates appears to be as strong as that between cigarette smoking and lung cancer."
Almost none of these scientific findings has been reflected in mainstream nutritional advice, which continues to emphasise the need for calcium. In fact, the recommendations on calcium are now so high that it is difficult to devise practical diets that meet them. The AAP, for example, currently recommends five daily servings from the milk group for adolescents (try getting those into figure-conscious teenage girls).
But there's another vital part of the calcium puzzle that suggests that the American Dietetic Association and its UK counterparts are looking in the wrong place. Instead of recommending multiple servings of dairy, they'd probably have done better to advise women, and especially teenage girls, to take more exercise. A 15-year study published in the British Medical Journal found that exercise may be the best protection against hip fractures and that "reduced intake of dietary calcium does not seem to be a risk factor". Similarly, researchers at Penn State University concluded that bone density is affected by how much exercise girls get in their teen years, when up to half of their skeletal mass is developed. The girls who took part in this research had wildly different calcium intakes, but it had no lasting effect on their bone health. "We [had] hypothesised that increased calcium intake would result in better adolescent bone gain," said one researcher. "Needless to say, we were surprised to find our hypothesis refuted."
The full article gives a good summary of both sides of the debate.
With Metta
So I don't think the evidence you provided refutes the current position in modern medicine. Finally the Guardian is a lower quality source than journal articles. It doesn't reference any studies so I can look at the methods etc.
"Two New Studies Sour Milk's Image" www.pcrm.org
"Holford, The Optimum Nutrition Bible" page 42
"Eisnitz, Slaughterhouse" page 20, 24-25, 31
Wangen 'Food Allergy Solutions Review" www.foodallergysolutions.com
Diamond, Fit For Life page 242
"10 reasons to avoid acidosis" www.polymvasurvivors.com
Diamond Fit For Life II page 243
Cousens page 316, 479, 478
Cohen "The Essence of Betrayal" www.notmilk.com
Although I did make the point that dairy is not necessary or healthy for you, that wasn't my main point. Being a Buddhist forum, my main point was to think logically! Ask yourself who decided we as adults should drink a cow's milk! It's bizarre.
If you were a doctor would you believe the fringe? Would your patients appreciate that practice?
All of the connection between diseases and milk it doesn't report the degree of the connection. I take medication that is connected to lethal side effects but quite rare.
I question whether modern medicine is all on the take from the milk industry.
"You can get much higher levels of manganese, chromium, selenium, and magnesium from fruits and vegetables, which are also high in boron, which helps lesson the loss of calcium through urine. High amounts of dairy also blocks iron absorption."
The virtues of other foods irrelevant. Does a brocoli being healthy mean that milk is not?
This is not true. I did provide citations and its unreasonable to believe that nutrition is not based on science. We would have to conclude that mars bars are nutritious if we invalidate the science of nutrition.
And yes, factory farming is terrible. That alone would be enough to put me off milk.
And yes, due to my job I've worked with countless nutritionists and yes most of them have said to rather stay away from dairy if possible.
No its completely arbitrary to consider one natural and one not.
It would be like considering riding a bicycles natural but driving a car unnatural.
This is an interesting website that seems to have a lot research from many different studies, not sure if that's what you are looking for..
http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm
Journal references are within, I do not subscribe to these Journals and neither does my University (well my athens account says that anyway) so I cannot give you the .pdf and I have no idea about what the papers actually say in full, but you wanted journal references so there in the article. Please share if you can access them.
http://themilkblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/problem-with-protein.html
With Metta
It is interesting that you say science is biased but the webmaster of notmilk.com is not biased. Can you see that is unreasonable? The journals themselves may be unbiased but I would like to read the abstracts.
The milk blog is also clearly biased. It is not a scientist who is objectively studying things. He/she may have reasonably come to a conclusion, but this is a different animal from science. When you are a scientist ethically you do not fake studies. If you do you lose your career. Even if your study does not prove something that itself is publishable so a scientists wins however the study turns out. Milk blog only wins if the study agrees with the blogger.
I would be interested in looking at journal articles.
I must admit that part of my interest is because I am bored and having fun looking up all this and thinking about it. So I thank you for that
No one is forced to eat milk! And by all means believe what you want and speak what you want!
I never said science was biased. That's impossible since 'science' can support both sides, depending on the motivation behind the research.
Also, you've just assumed that all scientists are ethical and would lose their career otherwise. I personally know people who've been paid by companies and organizations to come to certain conclusions in their research, supporting a certain supplement or food and they still have their jobs today.. I think. (Not relating to milk though)
The references were
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995; 61,4.
Journal of Clinical Endocrinology (1988;66:140-6).
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Remer T, Am J Clin Nutr 1994;59:1356-61)
(Science 1986;233, 4763)
(American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1979;32,4)
(Journal of Nutrition, 1981; 111, 3).
(American Journal of Epidemiology 1994;139)
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Scientists do not support one side. How would we discover anything?
I am interested and will ask my aunt and physician.
I am being honest in saying most of what I know is from books, and I cannot verify legitimacy of anything online. I hate how anybody can post anything on the internet.
Also I never said that spinach being a better source of calcium makes milk harmful. The evidence saying milk is harmful is seperate from the evidence saying it's not a great source of calcium.
When I say biased I mean that the scientific method must at least be sound, for it to be published in a peer reviewed journal.
I am not totally convinced that milk is that bad for you as long as its taken in moderation. But the evidence against it cannot be ignored either. As they say there are two sides to every story.
With Metta