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Buddha or Einstein?
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Ignore the title of the video and see if you can tell if this was said by the Buddha or Einstein before the end.
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http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein#Einstein_and_Buddhism:_a_widely-cited_but_spurious_quotation
With Metta
Though, my hat goes to them both.
To Buddha to understand and come up instinctively with explanation of the wonders of universe and human consciousness...
For Einstein for giving a scientific clarification to above - many years after Buddha teaching .....
The sad think is that Einstein spent many years trying to come up with ‘ultimate’ theory of everything and has failed.
However, if it was not for Quantum Physics, I would not personally start researching Buddhism.
"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe", a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely, but the striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."
And in another version cited in the book "The New Quotable Einstein by Alice Calaprice" he is quoted as saying this.
"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest—a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. The striving to free oneself from this delusion is the one issue of true religion. Not to nourish it but to try to overcome it is the way to reach the attainable measure of piece of mind."
So maybe the New York times put a bit of spin on the quote.
Taken from
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#1950s
With Metta
Not anymore. The 21 century science is depending very much on his conclusions to start with. However, as the science progresses – Einstein has been proven wrong very often.
No doubt, he has started a whole revolution from Newtonian physics. Experimental physics took us further.
Let’s also not forget that only few hundred years ago ‘science ‘claimed that earth is a middle of the universe. Buddha knew it was wrong about 2000 years ago. Einstein went even further and proved it in the mathematical way.
What next? Who knows but I admire Buddha’s intuition.
This phrase was kidnapped almost by any church and bended to propaganda. :grr:
Also I am not sure about Buddha claiming that the earth was not the middle of the Universe, I have never seen this in any suttra, do you have a reference for this ?
With Metta
And for me it is that it brought me closer from academical brain to admit that I have no choice but look at the teaching of somebody who knew it so many years before humans could prove it.
Science is very confused in the moment. We can enter unknown with our analytical and mathematical thinking. At the same time , we know that we are entering the reality beyond our comprehension.
:banghead:
I just think its a shame that people try to twist other peoples words to fit their agenda. Same goes for Darwin. I also think its even more amazing how we nowadays have access to so much information yet so much of it is false or misleading.
Funny enough many of Buddha’s humanistic observation have been proven by 21 century science.
Sure, they were generalized words but so close to the development of Quantum physics nowadays.
As to Darwin only very few fundamental churches try to undermine his theory.
I respect even further - ancient Buddhism for acknowledging it.
http://www.cttbusa.org/other2/buddhism_science.htm
http://www.buddhanet.net/ftp12.htm -- rebirthscience.zip
With Metta
Rick,
I am so sorry but I have no time to provide links /at least today/
Google :
Reality and human brain
Neurology and QP
Human reality and QP /plenty of good articles in the recent in the New Scientist/.
etc.
I am sure , answers you will find will be a good food for thought. If not Google again and you will find some answers.
:clap: BUT:
You have put people into your post.
This is where our mind, brain , upringing, concieussness, faith, karma ;;;; whatever you call it BRINGS THE HAVOC. :banghead: against :om:
Maybe just maybe, it is why our life is so interesting. :buck: :rocker:
Let's assume that reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or may be thought to be.
In the Newtonian way and classical mechanics the world is measurable; the measurements reveal the true state of the world.
For most of humans and religions there was ‘reality’ that the sun orbits round the earth.
Was this truth? No, because humans often describe reality in terms of common space we all experience.
Quantum physics states that everything in the universe is pure energy, differing only in rate of vibration.
If this is true , then we as a part of universe are able to perceive limited information due to the fact that our senses are very limited. Of course humans using power of reasoning were able to use mathematics and different measurement devices allowing us a glimpse of ‘’ultimate'' reality.However, this is as far as it goes.
Quantum physics has shown us a very important fact. We can't know reality.
Reality goes beyond our experience.
Also Planck has shown that we cannot experience the physical reality beyond a certain limit.
The whole universe is an enormous wave function, with a huge possibility of different words and realms. Are those worlds real? Sure. Where they real prior to humans coming up with quantum physics?
I have to say yes or maybe. Many were foreseen in Buddha teaching.
Google:
Planck
Wave function
Copenhagen interpretation
And see for yourself how close they came to Buddha’s understanding of the universe. /obviously, forget the theology and ancient language in the Buddha scripts/
http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Lotus-Journey-Frontiers-Buddhism/dp/0609608541
I don't know how many times it's been discussed here....
I would love to get into the subject.
I don’t have time today;
I will PM with my answers to you or if Federica allows us I would post them here this weekend.
I assume as you did not Google the suggestions, you are familiar with them.
''I don't know how many times it's been discussed here....
I am sorry, I still find it difficult to navigate on here.
Could you point me in the right direction or give me a link.
PS How do I put part of the posting in the quote? I have tried to leave forum marks but it have not work.
Certainly in the past, many have offered it as a book worthy of reading.
place these marks -
< blockquote >(beginning of quote) < / blockquote > (end of quote)
(without the spaces) at each end of the comment you are quoting.
And try not to be so defensive. If there are any problems with your postings, please rest assured, we won't drop hints - we will tell you in no uncertain terms.
You have given me a great compliment about being defensive. :om:
I have too big Ego for my liking. /defensive/
I feel privileged to be able to participate here.
However, I have many views which might be offensive for some members.
I would hate to challenge them. At the same time ,I am looking forward to them to confront me. I am searching here for so many answers. Yet, I also realize that maintaining site as this without trolls is a difficult job.
There is thin line on the religious sites between questioning and condemning.