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Osama bin Laden is apparently dead
Mountains
Veteran
President Obama is about to make a statement, and news reports indicate bin Laden's body is in US custody. Now he's a martyr killed by the infidel devils - I can hardly wait for the retribution to begin.
Sigh... so much for compassion.
Sigh... so much for compassion.
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i am just so indifferent to this news. bleh.
@LeonBasin
he is very probably real, but has connections with the bush family.
Thanks!
And good point.
i feel sort of weird watching TV where they are showing people out in the streets partying.
Yep, but there many Americans here who want to see Usama's head on a pike at ground zero.
I'm not sure where some of you "peace at any price" people were on 9/11. Some of you were probably in a more risky place than I was. But I was the principal of a school just 7 miles from the Pentagon. We had hysterical children that day. We had hysterical teachers. Hysterical parents. One of our students had both parents who worked in the Pentagon...one of whom was killed, the other survived. Rumors abounded that apartment buildings in our area were being bombed. And I remember that evening going to bed wondering if we would all be alive the next day...after all, the community where I lived was just about 5 miles from downtown D.C. What was it like to the people who were in those airplanes that day that were turned into human bombs that hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and crashed in Pennsylvania. Innocent men, women, and children who experienced a terror not one of us can even imagine.
I can understand when two nations are at war. I cannot understand how anyone can condone that individuals can commit war on a country and murder 3,000 of its citizens...and not expect some degree of justice to be done.
The concept of peace at any price, which some here are clearly professing, didn't work very well for Europe in the 1930s and 1940s. Stop and think for a minute about the 11 million people who were tortured and murdered in concentration camps. And that's not even taking into account those who died in military campaigns. And you expect no justice?
In other threads in this forum we have a division of thought about what the precepts are. Some think they are commandments. Others think they are guideposts.
I just think that life is not quite as simple as some of you imply.
Bin Laden activitely mislead many people into wrong views about life. Karma does not judge, you get what you have sowed. Guess we should try to feel compassion for him and hope that he gets to cultivate properly after his time in hell ends...
However, it is indeed futile to celebrate his death. It really isn't like VE or VJ day at all, because we haven't stopped the organization or the hatred, we've simply stopped the head honcho. And I have to agree with Mountains and Jason that his death is probably just going to make a martyr out of him for many radical islamists, and will just fan the flames of hatred that he so readily sowed.
Just my 2 cents on the matter.
Time to change the television channel and watch some show about lil cute zoo animals me thinks!
Thank you!
Im not out celebrating but I am happy that a person who would harm my family is dead.
Lets see what happens next.
and also sometimes when you kill a important leader of an organization nobody is left to take the shoes. Although Im sure other organizations will come and go.
"When they act upon intention, all beings are the owners of their action and inherit its results. Their future is born from such action, companion to such action, and its results will be their home. All actions with intention, be they skillful or harmful, of such acts they will be the heirs".
That goes for Mr. Bin Laden as well as ourselves.
Keep in mind that the people celebrating in front of the TV cameras do not represent the populace. It is unfortunate that TV news craves this type of misrepresentation.
Btw, I'm wondering if the goal was to capture him or to just kill him outright.
So sure... Osama is dead, whoop-de-freaken doo. Maybe citizens of New York are rejoicing, but I think the rest of us probably feel like I do. I really hope that this is just a bad patch in history. I need to go play ball with my dog tomorrow and just chill for a bit.
Any going on here...?
Just asking..... :hrm:
May Bin Laden be reborn in the pureland of bliss where he may accomplish his Buddha nature and redeem himself.
You might want to watch the BBC documentary "The power of nightmares".
Or read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_fear
May your mind be at peace.
*Not looking to argue, just my opinion*
[http://www.dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html]
Excellent, now his disciples will have something to do during summer.
Frankly, this war seems like its actively teasing people to do revenge killings in the name of Islam.
As such, I personally just feel that people responsible for the war (American leaders?) are just either completely uneducated or incredibly stupid. Thing is, with such stupidity its just hard not to think they might have another agenda from what they claim. They just can't really be promoting the war because of "terrorists" can they? Seriously, it's like they told the public they will kill the witches. And when someone in history said he was killing a witch at first it seems that the person is just really uneducated to believe in witches but it really always turns out that he's in for more (money, power). So i wonder what this war is really about, i'm not sure i understand anymore.
I believe in violence if its to prevent someone from doing more harm - but and since that guy (bin Laden) personally did not actually do the killings, killing him will not accomplish much, as his ideas will simply be alive as ever, especially now that he's a martyr.
As Ajahn Brahm said in a video (possibly 'ethics of murder', can't remember for sure) violence as a result of fear or ill-will will not do anyone much good.
Which is my opinion as well.
The Buddha converted a serial killer via his superhuman powers into an arahant.
"...forgiving means to pardon the unpardonable, or it is no virtue at all;"
Just because the government propaganda machine launches a campaign to boil the problems in the Middle East down to one person doesn't mean we have to buy into it. (All due respect to Vinlyn. Thank you for your moving testimony.) The issues are infinitely more complex than Bin Laden. He used to work for the US in Afghanistan, you know. How many times have people on the CIA or US gov't payroll turned around to bite us? Manuel Noriega comes to mind. When will the US learn? We create these monsters, then we have to kill them or bring them to so-called "justice". Does anyone see anything wrong with this picture? ...just askin'
My perspective is summed up by Lao Tzu: "Conduct your triumph as a funeral."