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Spontaneous Awakening
Do you believe in spontaneous awakening? Do you know any friend or family who has had an experience similar to Eckhart Tolle. Ascending Awakening will take place between 2012 and 2017..there will be a mass consciousness rising. What will happen then?
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As to your second point, that's only speculation.
It doesn't pay to focus on a complete hypothesis.
I don't really think there's anything worth worrying about.
Wait until it's a fact.
But it's not a fact, it's just all new-age supposition.... and as such, airy-fairy and irrelevant.
As far as the "Ascending Awakening", I agree with Fed that it's speculative. Is there any evidence for that?
I say "meh".
heres someone with that kind of experience
but seriously, who came up with it ? I love to read about this kind of stuff.
Why does he wear in one video gold watch and in the other huge one? I will not even mention his ring. Is this a product of his enlightment?
If you will be as old as me you would live through numerous dates predicting the end of earth, universe, consciousness or armageddon.
Not sure if this will be good news or bad but I am still alive . My predecessors were too as I would not be here.
What I meant is to be skeptical and question.
In the end of the day you are the only person who can make a judgment and get to your :om:
He supposedly was in and out of mental institutions. Maybe it was depersonalization or some similar phenomena. That happens to lots of people.
OK , let me buy all those and send you a bill if it does not work. :vimp:
For me a person who was privileged enough to get to timelessness and inside wisdom and at the same time wears the attachments to earthly treasures. /forget watches and look at his silk cloth/ brings huge alarm bells.
either one cultivates enough conditions to have an awakening and then they don't have to do the leg work after awakening.
this is called gradual cultivation then sudden awakening.
or one has a sudden awakening out of no where and then they have to gradually cultivate that awakening.
this is called sudden awakening then gradual cultivation.
each person is different and each experience is different but all awakening happens right here and right now.
i do believe that there is a massive awakening that is going on. i see a lot of enlightened activity, but that might be my projection. who knows for sure?
The Awakening of the Planetary Heart and Ascension to New Earth Consciousness
The Energies for October 2007
The Awakening of the Planetary Heart and Ascension to New Earth Consciousness
Archangel Michael through Celia Fenn
http://unearthly-souls.tribe.net/thread/63da8df4-dfc0-4f0f-9c8d-14722d4b771f
One example is you are suddenly given a plaque for 10 years of on-the-job service. Sure, it happened just then, but didn't the 10 years all lead up to it? It's always a process like this. Awakening happens when all of the conditions for awakening are met. Nothing is really "sudden" any more than anything is "self", it's all conditioned processes dependent upon each other.
He has a watch, and a robe, and a beard. Are those things important?
What does he say? Is that important?
Why are you speaking of his wardrobe and not his information? Should he be in rags to have tess-cred?
the second one become Stream-entry and need to practice to live according to dhamma he understood at the awakening
it is a paradigm shift and one does not blindly believe in anything anymore because one sees with wisdom exactly what one sees, hears, feels and knows
surely that is a big deal and 'you' get 'something'
that 'something' is happiness, no suffering, and peace within
What I understand is sudden awakening then gradual cultivation comes to those who know nothing of the Buddha and awaken on their own, but it's still not perfect so they have to go deeper until final liberation. Gradual cultivation then sudden awakening is the path of the yogi, he/she that is fluent in the Buddha's Dharma and puts forth right effort to cultivate the conditions for that initial awakening.
Sidhartha Goutama had been cultivating virtue (seela), samadhi (concentration) and wisdom (panna) before his enlightenment (awakening to the Truth)
not only in his last birth but also in his previous births according to suttas and privious life stories (jathaka katha)
if one believes in sutta and jathaka katha, it is a belief
if one does not believe in them, still it is a belief
Siddhartha Gouthama before his enlightenment (become Buddha) and many others before their enlightenment (Arahants) were said to be unenlightened worldlings
that does not mean they had not been cultivating seela, samadhi and panna
since they had been cultivating and once awaken to the Truth, they did not have to do anything anymore to understand Dhamma or live according to Dhamma
those who have not cultivated seela, samadhi and panna to the full extent and even if they are awaken to the Truth (stream-winning etc.) they have things to do
(has not done what has to be done)
they have to practice to live according to dhamma because habitual tendencies are still strong
the important thing to do is get the Noble Right Understanding/stream-winning/sotapanna/Noble Right view and then many problems will be solved
what one has to do is try to understand
five aggregates
or
six sense bases
or
four elements
first one need to read or listen to know what are they (parathogosa)
and
then think over it (yoniso manasikara)
and
do insight meditation on them (vipassana or contemplation)
Eckhart Tolle did have a lot of perceived sorrow or pain and he did experience a sudden awakening..thanks
This doesn't sound like what Buddhism teaches to me, do you have a reference that I could look into? No problems if there is not too.
Thanks,
Abu
I wish my depression would go away like his did. Again, I'm not discounting his experience. This happens to a lot of people, and his outcome was good.
Eckhart Tolle
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckhart_Tolle
"One night in 1977, at the age of 29, after having suffered from long periods of suicidal depression, Tolle says he experienced an "inner transformation."[5] That night he awakened from his sleep, suffering from feelings of depression that were "almost unbearable," but then experienced a life-changing epiphany.[9] Recounting the experience, Tolle says,
I couldn’t live with myself any longer. And in this a question arose without an answer: who is the ‘I’ that cannot live with the self? What is the self? I felt drawn into a void. I didn’t know at the time that what really happened was the mind-made self, with its heaviness, its problems, that lives between the unsatisfying past and the fearful future, collapsed. It dissolved. The next morning I woke up and everything was so peaceful. The peace was there because there was no self. Just a sense of presence or “beingness,” just observing and watching.
No offense, but "mental institutions" and "dissociative episodes" sound like the kind of wildly inaccurate descriptions of Tolle's experience that could only spring from a non-acquaintance with the man's actual work.
*The Power of Now* is thoroughly suffused with Buddhism--Buddhism is the whole methodology of Tolle's work. He doesn't *tell* the reader it's Buddhism (probably because he wants to avoid the stigma of organized religion), but a Buddhist reading the book will spot the telltale signs everywhere--including what you describe as a "dissociative episode," where Tolle came to realize through personal experience the Buddha's teaching about "self."
Again: not meaning any disrespect toward you, but some readers here may have gotten the erroneous impression that Tolle was mentally unbalanced, because of your comment about mental institutions, which has no basis (that I know of) in fact. That's how falsehood and misinformation get spread around the Internet.
My personal impression of Tolle, based on having read his work, is that he is one of the wisest teachers of our time.
..... I on the other hand have read the book. It had an enormous impact on me, but I don't accord either him, or the work, any specific importance or prominence. No more or no less than any other work of this kind.
It's the work of an author wishing to convey a message. The author is irrelevant, and as such it is the power of the message and it's long-term effect which is to be assessed. He was, he admits it himself. You can't get a lot more mentally unbalanced than suicidal depression. That's a pretty unbalanced state of mind. He's good.
but don't put him on a pedestal.
He's just as human as anyone else.
I also do not know anyone who has had an experience like that, but then, I do know people who chose to speak in terms which suggest they had " light bulb " moments, spiritual conversions etc. and have never felt the need to explore how long it took them to get to that point - lol .... maybe some folk need to see that; that is to have a sudden conceptualistion, experience or that a conversion can/does occur from a certain perspective .... slow and steady, different teachers and living my life one day at a time has seen positive moves forward for this little yellow rubber duckie - and that is enough for me
But I'm agreeing with you in your comments, not arguing.
Just putting my experience forward....
Personally my awakening came almost two years after I began the process of self-inquiry... not as spontaneous as some others reported, but I did remember that a very very deep desire to find out the bottom of the truth of my Being was what 'done the job'. Perhaps the others had it right from the beginning... mine was a gradual accumulation of the 'Great Doubt' as Zen calls it, the doubt that wants to get to the bottom of questions like Who am I?
That said, self-realisation is merely the first stage. See http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html
The spontaneous awakening of I AM (Thusness Stage 1) such as Eckhart Tolle is not stream entry.
If you had a realization of Anatta (Thusness Stage 5), then it is stream entry.
Some people, like Bahiya in the Bahiya Sutta, not only had spontaneous awakening of Anatta but ended all afflictions and fetters immediately after listening to the Buddha's discourses. Such are those with deep calibre and capacity at comprehending dharma.
So spontaneous awakenings have many different types and levels.
I too, suddenly realized anatta through contemplating on Buddha's instructions on Bahiya Sutta while marching (I'm serving mandatory 2 year military), but I cannot say that I have reached the end of contemplative path.
(jk'ing)
Thanks.