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Random Pity

ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
edited July 2011 in Buddhism Basics
This is quite hard to explain as I have thought about it for the past few days and find it hard to put into words. I have sometime been observing people on either TV or in everyday life and sometimes get this feeling of pity or sadness for them. Now, it can happen for people who do not appear to be in any distress or suffering. For example if I see somebody selling fruit on the street I may look into their eyes and see that they are stuck with this repetitive job daily. They may like their job and or their life, but I still fell the same. Another example is quite silly maybe, I saw on the news briefly today an incident with the French president who was yanked by a member of the public. I saw a look on his old, aging face and I got the same feeling. It lead me to remember of all the harsh words he has been given by the French public. It may seem trivial but it really does make me sad for a while, all of these situations and I know deep down they are more often than not pretty silly. Has anybody else had something similar or am I being a fool...

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  • This is quite hard to explain as I have thought about it for the past few days and find it hard to put into words. I have sometime been observing people on either TV or in everyday life and sometimes get this feeling of pity or sadness for them. Now, it can happen for people who do not appear to be in any distress or suffering. For example if I see somebody selling fruit on the street I may look into their eyes and see that they are stuck with this repetitive job daily. They may like their job and or their life, but I still fell the same. Another example is quite silly maybe, I saw on the news briefly today an incident with the French president who was yanked by a member of the public. I saw a look on his old, aging face and I got the same feeling. It lead me to remember of all the harsh words he has been given by the French public. It may seem trivial but it really does make me sad for a while, all of these situations and I know deep down they are more often than not pretty silly. Has anybody else had something similar or am I being a fool...

    @ThailandTom, I get that about some of your posts!:P

  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    @ThailandTom -- The world is full of sorrows, whether imagined or not. The world is full of joys, whether imagined or not. A strong practice helps us all to clarify our sorrowing or joyful imaginations.
  • @thickpaper, thanks but I do not warrant any pity. I have actually been totally away from any kind of drug for 32 days now, so that is an improvement. I understand what genkaku is saying, everything is how we perceive it, it seems that I cannot control this feeling though. I guess I hall work on it.
  • @thickpaper, thanks but I do not warrant any pity. I have actually been totally away from any kind of drug for 32 days now, so that is an improvement. I understand what genkaku is saying, everything is how we perceive it, it seems that I cannot control this feeling though. I guess I hall work on it.

    @ThailandTom, buddy, I was joking! That's what this, :p, means;)

    xx
  • ZenshinZenshin Veteran East Midlands UK Veteran
    @ThailandTom Congrats on the 32 days clean mate, nice one!
  • the wink did not show up on your original post, and sorry if it sounded as if I took offense, I didn't but it may have come across that way as the internet is so damn monotone.
  • I've spent a lot of time the past few years around poor and homeless people, and I go to a public free clinic for my medical care and a homeless free clinic for my psychiatric care. I'm stuck at home a lot watching educational television- some of the documentaries I see depict some pretty tragic situations. It reminds me that the mass of humanity lives in poverty and ignorance, or at least relative ignorance. It's been quite an experience.

    So I think I know what you're saying, Tom. I guess as long as we don't let these feelings make us depressed or somehow interfere with working on metta (just due to being overwhelmed with pity), these experiences can be very instructive.

    I guess my point is that I'm seeing the world as it probably really is rather than the relatively nice and comfortable middle-class American life I had before. Maybe that's what's happening to you, Tom. I suppose this is where we consider these people as buddhas or bodhisattvas that are teaching us.

    I'm glad you're back and I'm glad you're healthy, Tom. I suppose that as long as these feelings pass enough to not upset your practice, then they're very instructive, because that's how the mass of humanity lives. I cannot imagine what it would be like to be a street vendor in Thailand.
  • the wink did not show up on your original post, and sorry if it sounded as if I took offense, I didn't but it may have come across that way as the internet is so damn monotone.
    Innit! Im sure 99.9% of the forum dukka here would be vanished if we were all sitting beneath a bodhi tree:)

    namaste
  • bring on the bodhi tree people! :D

    hey thanks sherab. i myself also watch a lot of educational documentaries, daily. i have realised that this overall feeling does not get me too depressed and if i am sad due to it, it is not for too long. i guess you can breed a strong sense of compassion from such things. i was watching some you tube videos the other day, and in the comments it was all insults for no reason at all. racist, sexist, sick and twisted slants on a 'conversation', but i guess they are merely ignorant.

    another side to this feeling is that sometimes when i look around i lose faith for a moment in the human race. i see how fragile we are and yet we consider ourselves so superior and invincible.

    it is good to be back, still clearing the fog and everything seems to have slowed down by 50%. all of the physical pains have gone and i have gotten over the seizure i had. that was the turning point, my rock bottom.
  • Ahh yes, it can be overwhelming. Have you had this before, like before you used drugs? I say that because many people use things to self medicate what is very painful. You will have to watch and see if this is okay for you to watch these things or if it would be best to take a break from TV and other input. I personally cannot watch regular TV. I joke that I was 'born without skin', very sensitive to everything around me. It has taken years of practice to find my limits and respect that there is nothing terribly wrong with me for having them. Before I started to spend time finding out if emotions or reactions were mind or another persons I felt like I was being battled back and forth with no idea what was going on.

    So I know we emphasize the interconnectness of all beings however we also have the middle way to balance this. One way i get handle getting overwhelmed with it all is to remind myself that we are very sturdy overall. Individuals are fragile, that isolated person or a homeless one on the street are very vulnerable. However overall we keep on going, surviving, and even increasing despite disasters, disease and war. And even in the worst controlling situations there are still people driven to do what is right. I think we need to know the bad things we are capable of as humans, and make sure we balance that with the amazing compassion we are capable of.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    i try not to pity people. i have found that behind pity is frequently pride. who am i to judge that their life is so bad? who am i to think that my life is better?

    sometimes, it cannot be helped. if someone i don't know is rude to me in public, i may think, "if this person responds to me in this way, what must the rest of their life be like!? they must suffer a great deal." but with this thought sometimes comes the feeling of pride. it makes me feel better to think that my life is better and they suffer as a result of their rudeness (or their rudeness is a result of their suffering). either way, i try not to focus on these emotions. pity sometimes feels like compassion, but it is not actually helpful. most people don't like to be pitied. if someone is not giving you an opportunity for compassion (as in, they aren't specifically asking for help), i would try not to focus on pitying them. there is no need.

    for the record, i think your first example of the person selling fruit on the street sounds more like pity. but i think the example of the french president sounds more like compassion.

    congrats on the 32 days tom!
  • @AHeerdt, I started taking drugs around 8 years ago at the age of 13-14, so I cannot properly remember how I thought then. I was very young to acknowledge totally feelings of compassion and or pity. I know why I have used drugs however, it is partly due to how I reacted to my father leaving at the age of 7, then 2 years later I started having extreme anxiety which I still have to this day. Actually, I remember when I was 5 I was in the garden and saw a wasp attack and kill a moth and cried. My mother found it rather amusing/cute. But yea, after my dad left some other events lead to me lose all confidence so I guess I have self medicated for a long time.

    Hey thanks zombiegirl. I think I shall examine these feelings for sometime to find out how I truly react to the situation, maybe it is pity some of the time but I cannot be sure of now. I mean with the guy selling fruit, I don't think I feel good for having a slightly better life, I feel sad when I see his face and cart of fruit being pulled along by frail hands. I kind of feel guilty. But I am sure we all have our problems do we not, that is life.
  • Hi ThailandTom,

    Wow 32 days. Congrats! Has your meditation practice helped in this process?


    As we begin to awaken and see self delusion resulting from conditioned existence for the non-sense that it is, we begin to free ourselves from the grip of clinging.

    Something else interesting happens also. Without the illusion of separation, compassion naturally occurs. Others can become a mirror for our own suffering. Compassion needs to be balanced with wisdom which is what equanimity is all about.

    Best Wishes :)
  • pity isn't compassion, and it is adviced against.
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