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praying in Buddhism

woods93woods93 Explorer
edited July 2011 in Buddhism Basics
I have seen a few documentaries about Buddhism in Tibet, Nepal, and other places and some of the monks pray and talk about praying. What use is this? who or what are they praying to?

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  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    The point of praying in Buddhism is kind of a form of mental programming and affirmation. I find that praying helps set my motivation and turns my mind to a more Dharmic mindset. I'm sure that some also pray to the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas for aid but I've always been taught that its really only our own minds that ultimatly help us in these prayers.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    Hi Woods,

    Sometimes Buddhists chant or "share merits" with their hands in "anjali" (palms touching each other) and sometimes they close their eyes as they do this. It is easy to see why it could be confused with a "prayer" that is practiced in a Monotheistic religion such as Christianity. Externally, it is very similar. Internally, however, the Monotheist is attempting to communicate with God while the Buddhist is chanting for the sake of recollecting the Teachings of the Buddha or perhaps they are attempting to "share merits" with other beings after doing something wholesome.

    In my opinion, prayer has no place (or, at best, is unnecessary) in Buddhism and it is not something I practice. I don't believe that God can save us, I believe that we have to do the work ourselves.

    Kind regards,

    Guy
  • edited July 2011
    this is an interesting point ... eh, i just made a comment on a similar topic and probably should not go on and on about it ..

    however, to be honest i have noticed that in the east in the popular conception The Buddha has taken the place of a god. i remember clearly once watching a nepalese boy look toward the sky and thank Buddha before eating. So, in fact some .. hmm .. uninformed people that consider themselves Buddhist _are_ praying in the sense that a Christian or other monotheist might.

    there is a very subtle and frequently misunderstood principle - saddha; usually translated as faith that is necessary to engage in the practice. it refers to having enough confidence to sincerely practice dhamma without doubt interfering with the concentration.

    there is also the case of some practices in vajrayana which were probably adopted either from the local shamanic traditions or from bhakti yoga (my opinion, no offense to practitioners intended). in these one imagines in detail a deity (usually assigned by the teacher) and attempts to embody that deity .. this is sometimes not clearly explained as a technique and is misunderstood and turned into worship. the more esoteric schools do little to change this perception under the rubric of expedient means.

    there is also the case of the Amida Buddha belief in china - some of the chinese sects have adopted the position that there is a cosmic eternal buddha to which one surrenders for liberation - again, i know personally a nun from a chinese order that says specifically "we cannot do it ourselves"

    the popular versions of buddhism have undergone the same sorts of distortions and misinterpretations as other traditions. people offer gifts to statues, think in terms of accumulating merit pray for healing and miracles and so on.

    on the other hand, these are not all totally without benefit - and there are even suttas that describe this level of understanding. in fact, bhakti (or devotional) yoga can be a very powerful approach and has many of the same principles as dhamma. this corresponds to a level of wisdom which is beneficial but will not lead to awakening but rebirth (according to dhamma). and, generosity, even if not fully understood and done for a statue is also beneficial - it helps to dissolve the habit of selfishness and acquisitiveness. prayer and good intentions even in a monotheistic context will inform the habits of mind.

    in more modern western contexts the prayer is usually understood as was described above - sort of like positive affirmation or self-motivating thought; mind training. in my opinion that is probably the most effective way to think about it for most people.

    i hope that helps.

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited July 2011
    Prayer can just be a manifestation of feelings. Prayer could be a metta practice.

    It could also be an opening to the mandala of awakening. My teacher has stated that the mandala of awakening is helping us from its own side including beings whos hearts have stirred with awakening and bodhicitta. By praying we may open our resolve to come in contact with such beings, make ourselves more available. Or make ourselves available to enlightening situations.

    Second in extreme duress prayer can stabilize our mind so that it is not overwhelmed by fear and doubt. This can help us to have peace and relief. It can also help us to see the positive side and not be swayed to an exagerated negative view. It can help us to open to our loved ones as we are stabilized, and touched. As I said the metta naturally radiates to our companions also.

    Finally prayer can help us to crystallize our wishes. Such that we know what is important to us. These can be on the verbal or subverbal level.

  • Thanks for starting this thread woods93; I've been wondering about these things too. Tibetan Buddhism has beautiful, but mysterious, prayers.

    One the one hand, when we do prayers to a particular Buddha, for example Chenrezig, it seems like we regard the Buddha as a person who can see and hear us. We invite the Buddha to come, do prostrations, make elaborate physical and mental offerings, ask for blessings, etc.

    On the other hand, a Buddha can represent a quality of the mind, like compassion, or a truth, like the emptiness of phenomena. The Buddha is regarded as a symbolic representation of abstract concepts. Prayer now would seem like a technique to recall important points of the Dharma and focus the mind.

    However, although the latter view seems more modern, and perhaps to some, more intellectually sophisticated, I've never seen or read about a teacher who regarded the Buddha images in an impersonal, casual manner. Instead, great care and time is put into making offerings, beautifying the images, etc. In my own experience, Tibetan Buddhists show just as much reverence to a Buddha image as Christians show to a Jesus image. As puzzling as it may be, it seems like both views of the Buddha, personal and symbolic, are present in the prayers.






  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    @pearl

    I agree. I think prayer is personal, and the intellectually sophisticated explanation seems best to me. Like when you pray to Chenrezig, you're inviting those qualities to come out within yourself. You may call upon the deity, but I believe for all intents and purposes, you are calling on yourself. Almost like an echo. You yell across the mountains at a deity if only to hear yourself.

    When I was in Church and singing praises and such to God, I would feel energy sweep through my body. I don't think it was God reaching out to me but myself revitalizing and giving strength.
  • @pearl

    I agree. I think prayer is personal, and the intellectually sophisticated explanation seems best to me. Like when you pray to Chenrezig, you're inviting those qualities to come out within yourself. You may call upon the deity, but I believe for all intents and purposes, you are calling on yourself. Almost like an echo. You yell across the mountains at a deity if only to hear yourself.

    When I was in Church and singing praises and such to God, I would feel energy sweep through my body. I don't think it was God reaching out to me but myself revitalizing and giving strength.
    :thumbsup:
  • Like when you pray to Chenrezig, you're inviting those qualities to come out within yourself. You may call upon the deity, but I believe for all intents and purposes, you are calling on yourself. Almost like an echo. You yell across the mountains at a deity if only to hear yourself.
    I like this! :)

  • woods93woods93 Explorer
    thanks for the help
  • AmeliaAmelia Veteran
    Praying seems like one of my instincts. Though I don't believe in "God" in the sense that there is an all knowing being that is listening and can solve my problems, I do feel there is an intelligence to the universe that is me, of me, in me, and around me. This goes for everything and everyone. Often, to me, a prayer has seemed to answer a question or dilemma rather quickly. If I am conscious and intelligent, chances are there are other, perhaps higher, sources of intelligence and consciousness.
  • Praying is a form of a meritorious act. It's a form of reflection of one's spirituality, a way of seeking refuge from something that is higher, and is also a way for one to repent and ask for forgiveness. Of the three meritorious acts, praying/chanting, meditation, and charity...meditation is the easiest to do, yields the most merit, and anyone can do it at any time.

    metta
  • mugzymugzy Veteran
    Praying seems like one of my instincts. Though I don't believe in "God" in the sense that there is an all knowing being that is listening and can solve my problems, I do feel there is an intelligence to the universe that is me, of me, in me, and around me. This goes for everything and everyone.
    @Amelia Thank you for sharing this beautiful idea. As well I take time for meditation and prayer daily. I feel very much the same way as you described, even though my understanding and perception may be slightly different. I certainly sense the all pervasive connection, both within and without, the feeling that "God" (for lack of a better term) is not something separate or outside of ourselves.
    :)
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