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How to know Buddha if we think we are greater than a dirt ?

edited July 2011 in Buddhism Basics
Why human still "learning" Buddhism after 2500 years introduced by Mr Siddharta ? Because human have a nature of ego / selfishness / pride / fail to learn but eager to teach . In order to know Buddha , human must sincerely accepted that they are same and equal with all living and non-living in this world or beyond .
We are no greater than our own shit , no smaller than the sun . Only if human could sincerely accepted this fact , we could learn Buddhism from countless source or from countless method .
We could learn Buddha from all living or non-living ......a dirt , rubbish , tree , rock , animal , viruses etc .
The key word is .....SAME AND EQUAL.....we are same and equal to all , and all living and non-living is same and equal with us .
Our life is our awareness and our awareness is actually pollutant in Buddha .
We must learn from all to understand our own awareness....all our feeling , emotions , love , compassion in order to eliminate it from us and be free of it .
Only after we free of all emotions of good or bad ....we will be fully awake and in pure energy of emptiness .

Comments

  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    edited July 2011
    Equal with all else in what way?

    And Buddhism doesn't teach to eliminate feelings from ourselves. We experience feeling, emotions, and love. Yet we let them come and go without clinging to them. You need not kill your captors to be free of them.

    As far as compassion goes, wisdom cultivates compassion. Compassion cultivates wisdom. These further our development toward enlightenment and are also a direct result of enlightenment. These things are not to be eliminated.
  • edited July 2011
    Were walking, thinking, talking, perceiving dirt. Everything we eat comes from dirt so its really what we are, and the fact we may be no better than it just means both it and all its manifestations (including human beings) are amazing.

    Really, 2500 years of human history, which in comparison to the age of the planet (4 billion years) is really just a blink of an eye. Were still evolving, or at least we can evolve. Just try to remain positive and keep your inter-connectedness with others in mind. Bacteria wouldn't have evolved into mitochondria if they didn't realize their commonalities at some point.
  • And dirt is condensed stardust.
  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    :hrm:
    The frequency of "Form is Emptiness. Emptiness is Form." baffles me.

    So are we claiming that we are equal in form because we are equal in emptiness and vice versa?

    Still, my second part stands :)
  • Again how to know buddha if we think we are better than others ? In Buddhism is only learning , teaching is limitation to know Buddha .
    Be free from all ego / pride / stop comparing knowledge / and most of all do not associate Buddha with anything or anyone perhaps we could start to learn buddha .
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Why human still "learning" Buddhism after 2500 years introduced by Mr Siddharta?

    ..

    We are no greater than our own shit...
    1. We are still learning Buddhism because each of us has not been here for 2,500 years. I've only been here 61 years, and I did not grow up in a Buddhist culture.

    2. You be = to shit if you want to be. But I am more than shit.

  • Monks perhaps served as a reporter in Buddhism but in search of Buddha is all about self exploration . Learning Buddha is not pouring water into others cup or let others pour water into our cup but we have to pour it into our own cup.
    To all "teacher" stop teaching and continue to learn Buddha not only among human but from animal , trees , viruses even non-living .
    Knowledge is tiny part in search of Buddha so please move on to higher awareness .
  • Sorry if my writing seems rude......I am not.....
  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    edited July 2011
    Teachers should stop teaching and keep learning. Why can one not continue to do both?

    Knowledge is vast, and unknowable in expanse. You cannot know everything, but we can try to simplify it down to what matters. That is what we are doing here. Buddhism has always been about self-exploration or perhaps 'not-self-exploration' :D

    You cannot deny that compassion is important. We are to see the world through the two eyes of wisdom and compassion. That means we cannot ignore everybody and everything else. You say to learn from the outside but explore the self. We can learn from the self and explore the outside too. We should explore and learn from everything including ourselves. We should also teach and show compassion and wisdom in action to all.

    This human form is considered a great gift because we have been given a form which can practice the Dhamma. Saying that this form is no better may be true, but only when it is appropriate for you to reach enlightenment. There will be a time when we realize equality. For the moment though, we have a significant advantage over lesser-sentient beings and the non-living. The equality (emptiness of all) is definitely something to be realized. You cannot simply 'know' it and be done though. It must be realized!

    There is a great divide between understanding and realizing. We're all at different points in the path. Talking about what's down the road 1,000 miles does us no good for seeing clearly what's in front of us now.
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    edited July 2011

    To all "teacher" stop teaching and continue to learn
    Teacher is only a role, if goshiki=poop=rock, then goshiki=student=teacher.

    Consider "let go of what is unneeded" rather than "stop teaching", because it is important to help ignorance untangle when it arises in and around us. Its only harmful if we adopt teacher as another self.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    Thats a wrong view of equaninimity OP.. equanimity is opening outward to all things without grasping to self. But it does not mean equal.. Equal is itself a projection which people grasp to. Instead open in a genuine way and form heart connections. A teacher is valued because they teach the dharma to countless beings and liberate them from suffering.
  • Knowledge is very important in our current world but in search of Buddha , knowledge is perhaps 1PPM ....is only tiny part . In search of Buddha , is all about awareness . A "teacher" is perhaps known for their knowledge same as a doctor or lawyer but in Buddhism ,awareness is impossible to be measured . We must consider ourself as others in order to free ourself from ego / pride and be able to obsorb values / learn from others .
    Buddhism is IMPOSSIBLE to be taught therefor is impossible to teach others as we ourself including Mr Siddharta is and should be continue learning .
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    "Buddhism is IMPOSSIBLE to be taught"

    what basis do you say that?
  • edited July 2011
    Buddhism is IMPOSSIBLE to be taught therefor is impossible to teach others as we ourself including Mr Siddharta is and should be continue learning .
    It isn't impossible to be taught, it just isn't easy. In AN 5.159 , Buddha even admits to Ananda that it isn't easy to teach the Dhamma.

    Sometimes the Dhamma can be very difficult to understand, because a lot of it relies on our own experiences. It isn't impossible, otherwise there wouldn't be any point. If it was impossible, "Mr Siddharta" would never have been called a "sammasambuddha". He would have just been another "paccekabuddha", or "private Buddha".
  • In Buddhism no one should consider themself "teacher" but yes in our current world teacher is to teach knowledge but in Buddhism knowledge is tiny part , we must learn to understand all our feeling , emotions , pride , greed , love , hate etc .These values could only be learned if only we accept ourself SAME and EQUAL with all living or non-living . If only we could know that we are same and equal to all we are ready to see good values from them .
    Sir , how can we teach Buddhism to an animal ? What makes we so sure we understand BBuddhism more than them or even a piece of dirt ?
    A "teacher" in buddhism could only give information on Buddhism history / study or share awareness but impossible to teach awareness .Even Mr Siddharta also could not teach Buddhism to a fly .
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited July 2011
    "could only give information on Buddhism history / study or share awareness"

    I don't think they teach on history. They point out the nature of mind or clarify sutrayana.

    The alternative is to ask you why you are speaking. If it can't be taught then you are just flapping your lips.
  • Sir ,is not wrong to consider ourself as student as we are forever learning , is only wrong if we consider ourself a "teacher" .
  • A "teacher" in buddhism could only give information on Buddhism history / study or share awareness but impossible to teach awareness .Even Mr Siddharta also could not teach Buddhism to a fly .
    Again, a lot of it does have to do with our own experiences. however, the Suttas are repleate with Buddha teaching various types of beings. How do you know he couldn't teach animals? What about when Buddha tamed the wild elephant Nalagiri with nothing more than the power of loving-kindness?
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited July 2011
    a teacher teaches. its not an issue of name
  • Sir , Mr Siddharta was the introducer of this great energy of emptiness to us .
    There are many story about him that no one can confirmed it is only up to us to believe whatever story based on our own awareness .
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    We all have the ability to be Buddha's!
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    despair is also just thinking.. same thing with pride
  • Perhaps human are too proud of their "Knowledge" that caused we still seeing the back of Mr Siddharta's head , infact we should see what he saw 2500 years ago .
    "knowledge" give ways for human to display ego / pride / statues and we are drawn into a war of knowledge .
    To know Buddha , we must see beyond knowledge , beyond ourself , beyond our nature . If we continue current path , I am sure that another 2500 years we still discussing on Buddhism .
    Lets free ourself from all ego , accepting others ( living or non-living ) as our source to learn Buddhism .
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    let it be so
  • edited July 2011
    The key word is .....SAME AND EQUAL.....we are same and equal to all , and all living and non-living is same and equal with us .
    Our life is our awareness and our awareness ...
    Hi Goshiki

    You might be interested in this article of October 2010.

    It talks about the benefits and dangers of the 'Equality and Oneness' movement.

    http://buddhawithin.blogspot.com/2010/10/equality-oneness-uncovered.html

    :)
  • sovasova delocalized fractyllic harmonizing Veteran
    Goshiki, not everyone is born into the human realm all at once. That is why the continuation of the Sangha is very important. The transmission of Buddhadharma is strong; may it always be so.

    Even if everyone "awoke," the human presence is a good thing!
  • Monks contribution in speading Buddhism for thousand of years is extreamly important but in search of Buddha in my awareness I have to understand that I must that they , all the Buddhist text /scriptures or even Mr Siddharta's teaching should not be associated or regard as referral to Buddha . Their so call " teaching" , materials provide could only serve as an information only and is totally up to my own awareness to digest / accept or believe it .
    Perhaps due to our current world culture of too much stress on the power of "knowledge" had mis-lead monk role . They seems as referral to Buddhism .
    currently in my awareness , I am of the opinion that due to our human culture regards "knowledge" is key for everything and regards the teaching of monk is the referral to Buddha that caused human still not be able to see what Mr Siddharta saw 2500 years ago . We are drawn into war of knowledge and the fact is human became more ego , proud of their knowledge and fail to learn from nature .
    In Buddhism , "knowledge" is a tiny part of awareness , we should let go ourself from this war on knowledge and free ourself from all ego / selfishness by accepting ourself SAME and EQUAL to all living and non-living .
    If we still think that we are better than a piece of dirt we will NEVER learn Buddha . If we think that we are greater than our own shit we will NEVER know Buddha .
  • in my current awareness , we can only learn / know Buddha from all living or non-living and no one can "teach" Buddhism including Mr Siddharta who is the introducer of this great energy to human as one awareness is impossible to be compared or measured .
  • We can only learn that we cannot know Buddha - cannot possess the understanding of Buddha as a precious prize. Shit or not we will never learn Buddha. We can be open to Buddha - we can surrender to Buddha - to not-knowing - not owning Buddha. We can be open to emptiness. In emptiness there is no knowing nor is there learning or teaching. In emptiness there is being and non-being. Openness to examining learning - questioning teaching - knowing there is no knowing - being and non being - this we can only do - to be empty - and prepare to return to emptiness.
  • I find it interesting to say that everything is same and equal. While everything may be made of particles their properties differ. Properties such as density, melting point and hardness. You can say equal but is one the mirror image of the other.
  • Equal and same transcends particles and properties - equal and same mirrors emptiness - not the qualities of emptiness - the emptiness of emptiness. Words fail...
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    emptiness-luminosity

    there is manifestations of all buddha qualities..

    and also manifestation of all relational qualities as the relationships of all those particles come to play
  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    Also, you need not measure or compare awareness to know its quality.
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran

    In Buddhism , "knowledge" is a tiny part of awareness , we should let go ourself from this war on knowledge and free ourself from all ego / selfishness by accepting ourself SAME and EQUAL to all living and non-living .
    If we still think that we are better than a piece of dirt we will NEVER learn Buddha . If we think that we are greater than our own shit we will NEVER know Buddha .
    Knowledge helps bring about this awareness. Specifically, the knowledge of this:

    Mere suffering exists, no sufferer is found;
    Actions are, but no actor is ever found;
    Nibbāna is, but no being exists that enters it;
    The path is, but no traveler is seen.

    According to this (Anatta), even "ourselves being same and equal to dirt" is also incorrect yes? Since there is nothing that can be found that can be called "ourselves, myself" to begin with, yes?

    We must learn from all to understand our own awareness....all our feeling , emotions , love , compassion in order to eliminate it from us and be free of it
    Didn't the Buddha teach that these things are not ours to begin with?

  • Yes "knowledge" indeed seems important in our current world but in search of purity "knowledge" sometime could be mis-leading . Only if we could free of ego / pride of having "knowledge" we are able to learn from each other or even from a piece of dirt .
    Indeed in purity , nothing should be there but we all in current world perhap human like me need billions of purification before closer to purity . We have to accept that "knowning" Buddha and be in purity is too-too far even to imagine . I am in a early stage of understanding my emotion so "my or mine" still very much attached to me . Perhaps after billions of purification process of birth/death circle , if I could love the cancer virus that attack my body same and equal love to my daughter , that will be the day I am free of "mine/my".
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    Yes "knowledge" indeed seems important in our current world but in search of purity "knowledge" sometime could be mis-leading . Only if we could free of ego / pride of having "knowledge" we are able to learn from each other or even from a piece of dirt .
    Indeed in purity , nothing should be there but we all in current world perhap human like me need billions of purification before closer to purity . We have to accept that "knowning" Buddha and be in purity is too-too far even to imagine . I am in a early stage of understanding my emotion so "my or mine" still very much attached to me . Perhaps after billions of purification process of birth/death circle , if I could love the cancer virus that attack my body same and equal love to my daughter , that will be the day I am free of "mine/my".
    "Bhikkhus, there is one unique thing, which when trained and cultivated,
    is of great fruit and great advantage. What is that one unique thing?
    It is Awareness by Breathing (Ānāpānasati)! And how, Bhikkhus, is
    this Awareness by Breathing trained, developed, cultivated and refined
    so that it is of really great fruit and of immense long-term advantage?
    Bhikkhus, when a Bhikkhu, who has gone to the forest, or to the root of
    a tree, or to an empty hut, sits down cross-legged, having straightened
    his body and back, and set up awareness around the nostrils, then just
    plain aware of only that itself, he breathes in, and then just solely aware of
    only that breathing itself, he breathes out..."

    :)
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    Goshiki if you dismiss things such as knowledge and teachers without looking at them it is due to avidya or avoiding out of fear.. Mind is already pure. All you have to do is turn towards experience ;)
  • edited July 2011
    Yes , indeed nothing to compare since all is same & equal .
    In my current awareness Mr siddharta version of " awake " and "emptiness" is the key of buddhism .
  • I never"dismiss" the important of knowledge just in my current awareness is that in search of Buddhism "knowledge" serve on tiny part and could be easily mis-lead into dis-advantages . We shall not "know or Learn" buddhism from just "knowledge" but more importantly we should always accept that all living & non-living have their own "knowledge" , own nature , own charactor , own awareness to share with us and from that we could understand more on our awareness and move higher closer to purity .
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited July 2011
    empty of purity and impurity. Trying to purify means that you are engaged in ethical conduct. But the purpose of ethical conduct is to liberate beings from notions of purity and impurity. Do you see?
  • edited July 2011
    I am not really quite understand but in my current awareness Buddhism is about learning / knowing purity , understanding life and its destination .
    Buddha in my current belief is original source of pure energy and all living and non-living in our world or beyond is un-pure / polluted that evolved / changing shapes / transformed in their own speed / their own ways or method to be pure again , to be Buddha .
    No purpose or actions that can "move" me to purity except understanding Buddha and learning to know my pollutants that is my awareness .
    Is IMPOSSIBLE for me or anyone to descripe purity as long as I still cry / laugh , have feeling , have desire , ego even compassion . Still I am of the opinion "knowledge" can be limitation to learn or to know Buddha .
  • edited July 2011
    Buddha is in my mind , is in my action , is in my life . I fail to know it because I am polluted . My pollution is my feelings , ego , selfishness , our compassion , our emotions etc . I am still not be able to free myself from all these pollution in my awareness partly because of I am too attached / belief on my "knowledge" . perhaps due to my "knowledge" I fail to learn from others , perhaps due to my "knowledge" I fail to know Buddha .
    In order to on right track in Buddhism , I must free myself of ego / pride of having my "knowledge" , accepting the fact that nothing is different in this world or beyond as everything or anything have their own nature / shapes , accept that all living or non-living is same with me , I am not greater from my own shit . All living or non-living able and ready to show me Buddha and I must learn from all to know my own awareness . Only if I understand my awareness , I could be free of it and closer to purity .
  • Mr Siddharta had influenced me in his two key words - Be awake and emptiness .
    These two world is my source of understanding my life and its destination .
    - Be awake - to me is to think beyond everything , to free of all customery human charactor , free of believing in ownself , free of believing own "knowledge" , accept all possibilities , seeing beyond everything .
    - emptiness ....is pure without pollutant .
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