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Is all Buddhism basically the same?

edited September 2011 in Buddhism Basics
There is so many different schools/sects that teach Buddhism to varying degrees is it basically finding what appeals and resonates to you?

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  • Always remember there were no schools/sects/doctrines/orthodoxies during the Buddha's life. They came later, often centuries and millennia later.

    To me, this is the first thing a one needs to understand to start the Path of Dharma, and avoid the Pitfalls of Dogma.

    Be your own lights.
  • Four Noble Truths. Eightfold Path. That's the basics of it. The rest is window dressing as far as I'm concerned.
  • Thanks Mountains. What style of practice do you take part in?
  • riverflowriverflow Veteran
    edited September 2011
    I like to think of it like food. Its all food, but different kinds of food have different kinds of spices (Greek, Mexican, Italian, Indian, Japanese, etc.). But at first, it can seem overwhelming and confusing when you first see the huge buffet!

    p.s. I tend to like Japanese food, cooked Soto Zen style ;)
  • Exactly overwhelming. LOL
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    At the risk of doing a self-aggrandizement number, here is a one-page cheat sheet I wrote for a high school student who came here to snoop Buddhism at the behest of her Christian church.

    BUDDHISM

    The truth of Buddhism does not come from a book. It does not come from a temple. It does not come from someone else. It is not written on a piece of paper. The truth of Buddhism comes from the individual effort to investigate, verify and actualize a clear understanding of this life.

    Shakyamuni Buddha, the man most often referred to as the founder of Buddhism, was born on the border of India and Nepal in about 565 BC. He attained what is sometimes called enlightenment at 35 and preached until his death at 80. Many schools of Buddhism sprang from his teachings … in India, Tibet, China, Korea and Japan among others. Uncertain estimates put Buddhist numbers at about 350 million worldwide.

    All Buddhist schools agree on at least two things:

    1. THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS: These are observations about the world around us.

    The Four Noble Truths are:

    *** 1. There is suffering (dukkha – the uncertainties, dissatisfactions and doubts that life can dish up); 2. There is a cause of suffering; 3. There is an end to suffering; 4. There is a way to end suffering.

    2. THE EIGHTFOLD PATH: These are the tools suggested as most useful when seeking out a truly peaceful life in a changing world.

    The Eightfold Path is:

    *** 1. Right View 2. Right Intention 3. Right Speech 4. Right Action 5. Right Livelihood 6. Right Effort 7. Right Mindfulness 8. Right Concentration.

    The word "right" is sometimes translated as "complete." A “complete” effort is thorough-going and whole-hearted. Nothing is held back. Buddhism is not a threat-based persuasion: You won’t go to heaven (right) if you practice it and you won’t go to hell (wrong) if you don’t. But honesty is required -- complete honesty.

    The Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path carry with them the verifiable observation that everything in life changes. There is nothing that does not change. Joy turns to sorrow, love turns to anger, birth turns to death, and the family car always gets a flat. All Buddhist schools agree on such things, but how they approach them may vary.

    But as the Dalai Lama put it once, "Everyone wants to be happy." And that is probably as good a summary of Buddhism as any.
  • @Genkaku: great summary! I may have to borrow it!
  • edited September 2011
    @genkaku

    We'd probably need to flesh it out to a bit more than "everyone wants to be happy". That's a fairly banal statement to make. To my ear, summarizing Buddhism like that is like summarizing Geology as "rocks are hard".

    Just as Geologists take the hardness of rocks as a given, I'd take the need for happiness as a given, and at the absolute briefest summarize Buddhism as "the most reliable path to happiness is the transcendence of 'I'".
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    @Prometheus -- Of course it sounds banal ... it was for a young woman who was doing her best to learn something about being 'tolerant' at the behest of her church.

    Actually, "rocks are hard" is a pretty profound teaching ... once anyone does some serious study of rocks. Ditto "everyone wants to be happy." Fleshing things out depends on the determination and willingness of the student/human being. Transcending (whatever that means) something called "I" is, in my experience, enhancing something that no one can lay hands on -- a dream added to a dream.

    But that's just my take. Transcend away! :)
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited September 2011
    A good site to do some basic studying of the various traditions is http://www.buddhanet.net. Each tradition has its own way of presenting the needed teachings for liberation, though they differ vastly due to cultural ideologies/traditions that have been intertwined with the Buddha's teachings.

    If you put in effort to purify your karma and gain insight into the nature of mind and all phenomena, any one of the schools should be a sufficient raft to liberation from suffering. Find one that suits your tastes after studying them all, as well as determining what's in your area if you wish to visit a traditional sangha.

    Definitely know that the Four Noble Truths are the very core and essence of the teachings. They're the reason (suffering), the cause (craving), the state of peace (Nirvana), and the method of reaching that peace (Noble Eightfold Path). When in doubt, always turn the mind's eye back to the Four Noble Truths.
  • @Prometheus -- Of course it sounds banal ... it was for a young woman who was doing her best to learn something about being 'tolerant' at the behest of her church.

    Actually, "rocks are hard" is a pretty profound teaching ... once anyone does some serious study of rocks. Ditto "everyone wants to be happy." Fleshing things out depends on the determination and willingness of the student/human being. Transcending (whatever that means) something called "I" is, in my experience, enhancing something that no one can lay hands on -- a dream added to a dream.

    But that's just my take. Transcend away! :)
    I wasn't responding to you describing 'everyone wants to be happy' as a lesson on tolerance, but then, you didn't present it as that, you presented it as being 'as good a summary of Buddhism as any' (your words). In my view, if Buddhism only boils down to that, then it's not really saying anything more than what any idiot already knows, and it might as well not exist. As for 'rocks are hard' being a 'pretty profound teaching'... Well now I've heard everything. Maybe the answer to 'why are rocks hard given they are mostly empty space?' is profound, but by no stretch of my imagination is the statement 'rocks are hard' profound. But whatever. You go ahead and contemplate on everyone wanting to be happy, on rocks being hard, on water being wet, etc. etc., and I'll indeed go and 'transcend away' (which means, incidentally, to 'get beyond', not 'enhance'; I'm not saying anything controversial to Buddhism with that word).
  • "Just as the great ocean has but one taste, the taste of salt, so
    this doctrine-and-discipline has but one taste, the taste of
    freedom."
  • Just as the great ocean has but one taste, and all different rivers flow into this great ocean.
  • If it were all the same there would be a lot fewer posts on this board! :lol:

    I think it is fair to say all Buddhism at it's fundamentals starts off at the same place, but when you have some scriptures held as authentic by some, and others not held true by others, and many denominations base their practice specifically on certain sutras, plus cultural influences, you are going to get some pretty big differences.

    I am Pure Land of the Japanese variety, so I chant the three Pure Land Sutras (or portions thereof...the Larger Sutra takes 3-4 hours to chant in it's entirety). My only 'meditation is reciting Amida's name, but not to become enlightened, but as an expression of gratitude.
    Zen I think mostly chant the Heart Sutra, although other sutras like the Diamond Sutra are important. Of course in Zen they practice meditation (counting breaths, "just sitting' and koan study)
    Nichiren is all about the Lotus sutra, so much so that their form of "meditation" is reciting the name of the Lotus Sutra.
    None of the above Sutras would be considered authentic to Theravadan Buddhists who hold to the Pali Cannon. I think their mediation is primarily on the breath, but there are other meditations on death and so on, as well.
    Then there seem to be a number of different scriptures in Tibetan Buddhism, and mediation practices I cannot pronounce let alone understand.

    I say none of this to disparage other practices, just to say that there is a wide variety of groups, scriptures, and practices called "Buddhist". Ultimately all are about the end of suffering, but the paths taken vary a great deal.
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