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Osho Rajnesh have you heard about him? Crazy or half Crazy half enlightened or what?
StoicBuddhistAlex
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Hello people. This man respects buddhism and uses a lot of buddhist principles altough i dont know if he is crazy
half crazy or very wise xD
Here is the Documental
half crazy or very wise xD
Here is the Documental
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There are a lot of people who can learn and spew the right lines. It's their own behavior they can't control, and that gives them away.
Am i wrong if i take care of his words when he talks about love, posseivness and desire although he haves a flaws?
Can he he is speak words of great wisdom and at the same time be dumb in others aspects?
There have been a number of other allegations made against him and his followers including arson, drug trafficking, child abuse, attempted murder, the list goes on. He was deported from the US in 1985 after pleading guilty to immigration fraud.
Example is his view of love is taking from the buddhist love of loving withouth attachment and no posseivness.
In my experience that brings a lot of peace.
or in not caring the opinion of others and many other advices sound with a great wisdom and in experience they seem to work.
He have flaws thats something i dont deny.
Yes Exactly that!!!!
How can we know that. Maybe our best lab is ourselfs. Our minds our emotion react in some ways but when the srouce seems flawed you kinda loose some of the "power". Its like you have to find your own way and that lives you completly in charge of you.
Maybe knowledge is for all but taking the next step to practice it is another deal.
Here's the thing, Alex. I don't mean to step on your toes. When you're new to some of these religions or spiritual movements, it can be exciting to find teachings that really speak to you. To find revelations, words that inspire and make you think. Some of us have been around a long time, though, so we've seen what "unpleasant surprises" (such an understatement!) can lurk behind the wonderful words. There can be hidden agendas. So, enjoy the teachings, but keep in the back of your mind that someone warned you that teachers aren't always what they seem. "Stuff" can happen. It's good to be aware. If, someday, you do find a teacher you can trust completely (it's recommended to spend years checking out the teacher thoroughly, before handing over your trust), then go for it, learn all you can learn and be all you can be.
The Dalai Lama on teachers who don't practice what they preach: "If a teacher's actions are unethical, then, even if they have practiced for many years, their practice has been wrong-footed. Quite simply, they lack a proper understanding of the Dharma. There is a gap between the Dharma and their lives." Don't fall into the gap.
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First off, he isn't a Buddhist, but he seems to recognize that buddhism is a path that leads to the non-goal of which speaks. He follows Tantra, which is based on a set of texts that were apparently Shiva's answers (they are actually techniques since the answers are truly ineffable) to his lovers questions. He says that every person in existence can find one of the answers which will awaken him/her. The buddha used the first technique, breath watching. There are something like 112 techniques provided by Shiva. He seems to stress the fact that these aren't Hindu, Vedic, Buddhist, or any other religion. They may exist in those religions, but they are independent of them.
Tantra is strongly rooted in non-dualism and is amoral. Osho has said that you don't need to change your morals to be spiritual, you already are spiritual. You cannot become what you are not, therefore you are already spiritual. He says that by mastering one of the techniques that works for you, you will be changed. So, there is no reason to change before the technique is mastered.
He also speaks of the oppression of sex and how it is based in fear and ignorance. I haven't read too much about that so I can't comment much, but there is a lot of fear around sex. He says that even our breathing habits show our aversion to sex. He says that most people breath from their chest, not their stomach which is apparently allowing the breath to reach the sex center.
From what I can tell he is about acceptance/love of all things, including yourself (knowing it is a false center created by our existence). He is about clear sight through the moment. I am not an expert, so anybody who knows more feel free to correct me.
For me, I am not super advanced in concentration at this point so his information and teachings are helpful to me. When/If I am more advanced I will test them, the same way I test Buddhist teachings. If you are open to it, then read his teachings, try his techniques, and use them until they don't work for you any longer.
My teacher says that there should be a sign outside of each building: Sleep with the guru at your own risk.
Great video. I never heard of the guy. He died when i was three. Interesting stuff.
Ill start a new thread called "Love without attachment" Wich is one this main things for wich i like some of the words of OSHO.
Participare please
he has a lot of knowledge and is great at bringing together large ideas and simplifying them. i've listened/read his commentary on the heart sutra, bodhidharma, tantra, krishna, etc.
osho is definitely enlightened. in a way truth manifests in an enlightened being as total individuality. no two people are the same. osho to me represents this.
reading and allowing his words of silence to really clear up my doubt has brought about a significant change in my practice as a buddhist.
i have much respect for this man, who out of such compassion tried his best to wake the world up from it's ignorance.
At least im not the only one thinking that his words can help one as buddhist
Here is a link you haven't and are interested: http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm
we always here rumors about teachers having affairs with students. or the misuse of power. just because you are a buddha doesn't mean you're infallible.
now that is a tough pill to swallow, but that is the reality. we idolize and project way too much on "enlightenment". these people are human and still are working out the kinks of karma.
everyone here should read jack kornfield's book called After the Ecstasy, the Laundry: How the Heart Grows Wise on the Spiritual Path.
if we see such negativity we must understand and realize that such negativity has roots within us all. we are literally seeing ourselves. thus it is in our power and incentive out of compassion to first admit that we have such capacities to do harm as well as good. thus from this stance we can cultivate the good, while knowing exactly why we should cultivate the good. if we see a problem with someone, we make the problem, thus it is our job to bring a solution to the problem.
on a side note. osho was a crazy motherfucker. but you have to be a little insane to embody truth.
"If a teacher's actions are unethical, then, even if they have practiced for many years, their practice has been wrong-footed. Quite simply, they lack a proper understanding of the Dharma. There is a gap between the Dharma and their life."
and what "point of view" you're looking from.
i believe there is always room for improvement, even if you're full awakened.
integration of dharma into life is infinite because all forms are constantly changing.
the bodhi mind still is in the realm of the body/form. in being so there is karma of living the normal life.
maybe there are few who make it to full enlightenment.
but how many do it by living a normal lay life? such is like putting oneself into the fire. you're bound to burn. such burning is the teacher.
how else are we supposed to learn if it isn't for suffering and cessation of the suffering?
in a way people have to fuck up. fucking up is the name of the game. we fuck up till we learn.
and this still applies after awakening.
Rajneesh was a tantric practitioner. That explains everything. Read up on tantra, y'all. Very eye-opening.
i know enough about tantra and what osho stood for.
i suppose my question to you is this.
if you were enlightened and had clear seeing into the nature of reality. you see the three marks. that is unavoidable and you realize such truths.
what if you decide and make a conscious choice to suffer and cling?
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But ok. So let me get this straight: you're saying the reason supposedly enlightened leaders like Rajneesh behave terribly, have no concern for the consequences of their actions on others, and cause tremendous suffering, is that they need to see what it's like to be unenlightened, so they can relate, and thereby be better equipped to help people? :scratch:
He was wise but with some flaws thats make more human and approchable.
Practicing a lot of his words bring peace but maybe we can all practice it better.
He readed a lot and he expressed all that knowledge
he even stopped speaking so that only the real spiritual seekers stayed.
all if it is a method, even if it is perceived otherwise.
i don't agree with unethical conduct, but after you are awakened to reality then you can have your cake. it's okay.
the buddha ate because he had to sustain his body because he desired to teach out of his compassion for the suffering beings.
a zen master might slap you in the face.
but if you feel compelled to do so then the way truth will manifest is in your own way.
i believe the cars were gifts to him by his followers and he had many wealthy followers.
to having a giving mind is to have a mind that takes as well. both are useful in compassion.
now about sex. tantra is a very advance practice where the masculine energy and feminine energy of consciousness is manifested via kundalini in the higher chakra (formless) and the lower chakras (form). it is the dance of the male and female into absolute union. tantra isn't just sex. tantra is the science of awakening using what is in front of us.
it's hard to believe that sex can be used in such a way but when two people in a committed spiritual relationship meet and have tantric sex, it can be totally rewarding. it's a method to the non dual.
but that doesn't matter.
maybe you're right. maybe all that money would be better to help others directly.
i'm not sure really. to me it is better to share truth and to practice, practice, practice verses just material giving. though i don't want to create a dichotomy. as it is the giving mind that we cultivate in practice.
osho helps a certain type of mind. with helping there is always harming. such is the nature of duality.
may we practice so that we can save all beings in the "correct" compassion way that follows our experiential truth.