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Whats wrong with these people ?

zidanguszidangus Veteran
edited October 2011 in Buddhism Today
I have just read that Javan rhino is now extinct in Vietnam, apparently poachers killed the last one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15430787

I really do not understand why there is a demand to kill animals such as this, which are near extinction. Do poachers and the idiots which use the by-products of poached species, not realize that once these animals are gone they are gone for good, no coming back. God only knows what goes through the mind of these people that actually use the products of rhino's and other endangered species. One thing is for sure they are sick-selfish people in my opinion.

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  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    Ignorance and greed. They can make more than 10 times an average sallery, sometimes more than that. They do not see it as a living being with feelings and so forth, they think of their families and the money that can be made. It is quite simple to understand IMO. Do I agree with it, of course not.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    Extinct = 50 or so remain.
  • compassionate_warriorcompassionate_warrior Veteran
    Rhinos and other rare species (tigers, as I recall) are dying out in Indonesia simply due to the fact that their habitat is being trashed--deforestation. Deforestation is seriously scary for a number of reasons. The climate becomes drier in deforested areas, plus the positive effect on the environment gained from the trees turning CO2 into oxygen is lost, the planet is becoming more barren. Trees are poached from protected areas, as are animals, globally-speaking. There's lots of poaching of tropical hardwoods going on.
  • AzidonisAzidonis
    Maybe it's the people (some) who should become extinct instead?
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    They like to be as wealth as you *smile* Animals bring good money, TV is possible, Handy, Motorbike, nice clothes...
    35 years of development made things possible *smile* "Learn somebody without virtue how to fish and he will fish the water empty."

    There are no material things which are not made from nature.
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    @Hanzee - please **STOP** *smiling* - it's extremely irritating.
  • prettyhowtownprettyhowtown
    edited October 2011
    @Hanzee - please **STOP** *smiling* - it's extremely irritating.
    Is it possible that he continues to do it because he knows it is irritating to others?
  • UttanaviriyaUttanaviriya
    It is the human nature. All beings are born with greed, hatred, survival instincts etc. Animals cannot control their instincts. Humans have the capacity. do they?
  • zidanguszidangus Veteran
    edited October 2011
    Ignorance and greed. They can make more than 10 times an average sallery, sometimes more than that. They do not see it as a living being with feelings and so forth, they think of their families and the money that can be made. It is quite simple to understand IMO. Do I agree with it, of course not.
    I was thinking more about the people who buy products such as tiger penis, rhino bone etc etc, in the belief that their libido will somehow be fantastic because of it, or it tastes nice, are they completely sick selfish individuals, do they not understand that the animals which are killed are near extinction ?

    Another example is blue fin tuna, you just have to look at the price of blue fin tuna. These fish are near extinction, but some idiots still want to eat them and will pay top dollar to do it. Whats wrong with these people ?

    :(
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2011
    Many forget also that the human flea as well as the bedbug are nearly extinction. There are generally less animals in developed countries.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    Gotya Zidangus. That is a bit more tricky to understand, but I think it still would come under greed and ignorance. They want something that they think will either better their life, be of some value or for some sort of pleasure. That comes under the ignorance part, not caring what it destroys in the process of gaining whatever they desire comes under greed. If they had the slightest care for the future or living beings, the slightest insight into reality, I doubt they would go about doing what they do.
  • ToshTosh Veteran
    Sitting here in my cosy house in the UK, it is easy for me to feed my family.

    However, if my family were in poverty, and I could feed them by killing the last rhino - no matter how much I love animals and dislike killing - the rhino would be killed, and my family fed.

    How much of this trade is fuelled by poverty? I don't know, but I suspect it is.
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    edited October 2011
    I never hear that people normally eat/feed on rhinos, so I don't think its starving. Maybe they just like to have it easy to feed their family.
  • ToshTosh Veteran
    I never hear that people normally eat/feed on rhinos, so I don't think its starving. *smile* Maybe they just like to have it easy to feed their family.
    They don't have to eat the rhino; they cut off the horn and sell it on the black market. And with the money they get, they buy food. Did I really have to spoon feed you that one? *frown* :D

    But there is also a market for 'bush food', and many wild animals, in places like Belize, get killed to serve that 'want'.



  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    @Hanzze: I'm going to edit the *smiles* out of your posts until you stop.
    You're just being deliberately annoying now.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    I don't know how everyone get's annoyed by them, they are merely words on a screen, whatever his intentions are. I just laugh and smile back at them everytime I see them. :)
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    I don't know how everyone get's annoyed by them, they are merely words on a screen, whatever his intentions are. I just laugh and smile back at them everytime I see them. :)
    it's probably a problem in my own head, but uh... every time i see the *smile* all i can think of is...
    image
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    I don't know how everyone get's annoyed by them, they are merely words on a screen, whatever his intentions are. I just laugh and smile back at them everytime I see them. :)
    He has been asked repeatedly to stop, and obviously, it's extremely irritating to some, judging by the comments I've received. Different things affect different people, and while it's all very well saying they're 'merely words on a screen' I'm sure you want people to react to your mere words on the screen, when you post.


  • robotrobot Veteran
    Have you tried to explain to him how the smile icons work? Seems obvious but who knows? *puzzled*
  • Ada_BAda_B
    Many forget also that the human flea as well as the bedbug are nearly extinction. There are generally less animals in developed countries.
    Actually, we've had an explosion of pests and parasites in the UK, especially Asian Bedbugs, which are not native to this country. Apparently, its all climate change and warmer, wet winters. Plus central heating, of course.

    Plenty of wildlife round here, though thankfully of the less irritating kind.

  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited October 2011
    Have you tried to explain to him how the smile icons work? Seems obvious but who knows? *puzzled*
    final point: yes.

    this one works too....:scratch:

    thanks, back to topic.
  • ginabginab Veteran
    It is a gift that the *smile* makes you mad. Now you have something specific to work on. You cannot control the person making the *smile*, but you can control your reaction to it.
  • ToshTosh Veteran
    It is a gift that the *smile* makes you mad. Now you have something specific to work on. You cannot control the person making the *smile*, but you can control your reaction to it.
    That's my current topic in my Buddhist Psychology module; dealing with afflictive emotions. Buddhists have some great advice to offer in this area. Very sharp.

    Shantideva says:

    Where would I possibly find enough leather
    With which to cover the surface of the earth?
    But (wearing) leather just on the soles of my shoes
    Is equivalent to covering the earth with it

    *smile*

  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    @Ada, really. I am from England but have not been on those shores for close to two years now, although I have heard of how the weather has shifted quite dramatically from family/friends-what else do we brits talk about besides the weather :p But that does sound all too good about new pests finding their way over there :-/

    @federica point taken, words on a screen can have a big impact. I is a matter of the individual I guess, mood and other variables, but I can see how it might get annoying, it comes across a little sarcastic but hey, back to topic.
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    @Hanzze: I'm going to edit the *smiles* out of your posts until you stop.
    You're just being deliberately annoying now.
    Good idea, maybe you like to edit also the content of my posts. *smile* What ever makes you feel better or the common consciousness. Strange that even a smile can hurt, isn't it? "but...!" I know. *smile*
    I don't know how everyone get's annoyed by them, they are merely words on a screen, whatever his intentions are. I just laugh and smile back at them everytime I see them. :)
    it's probably a problem in my own head, but uh... every time i see the *smile* all i can think of is...
    I guess it a worthy thought. *smile* What makes it come that this picture arises and why would it not arise if there is a :)?

    It maybe seems far away from the topic, but actually it is not. When ever something supports or "I" its normally worthy to be killed (banned) and eaten. When ever something is a danger for or "I" its normally worthy to be killed (banned) and fermented.

    That why I brought up the vermins. We have a tendency to walk on the lain of like (love) today and don't see that its also part of the ongoing digestion process.
    Love causes hate, hate causes love. To change things we need to walk the middle path and simply change our actions and livelihood.

    It does not make sense to drive in a car (with all the wealth and "security") into the forest and tell people to stop such deeds. We better think about whats our part on it that it happens and how we can be examples for them and make them understanding that we usually life a lie that they don't need to follow.

    *smile*
    Not seeing the impermanence of things people usually seek for using all what seems to be.
  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    Sorry I need to correct it (not so used in using *smiles*)

    "I guess it a worthy thought. *smile* What makes it come that this picture arises and why would it not arise if there is a :) ?
    We easily come to the question: "Whats wrong with these people ?" Rather to work on the problem where we actually could change things.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    I guess it depends on your intention, which by all accounts is not that easy to understand via the ineternet. That is obvious as the ineternet is so 'mono-tone' it can be difficult in understanding if you are genuinly smiling or trying to pis* people off.

    A forum is like private land, I guess if you stay here you abide by their rules, but I can relate to your notion of 'I' etc. The thing is with 'love', is that it is too often confused with attachment, compassion is something different and sometimes has to be firm but with right intention.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    If someone asks you to stop doing something, and they ask you nicely, and you ignore them, because you don't see why you should, even though you know that continuing will continue to irritate someone, it stops being a habit, and starts being deliberate irritation.

    You have been asked, nicely, by me, and others, to stop.

    Please Stop. Take responsibility for the irritation you create and that arises in others.
    Don't put it all on others.
    It takes two to create a situation.
    Admit your part. And quit.

  • zenffzenff Veteran
    edited October 2011
    What’s wrong is the limited perspective.

    I do it. I’m not perfect.
    I shut down emotions, because I can’t carry the entire world on my shoulders all of the time.
    I have to focus on the things I can do and I am a little lazy.
    I drive a car; I kill flies and mosquitoes; I am a mass murderer and I try not to think about it.

    Some people shut some more emotions down, and others shut them down almost completely.
    So they buy whatever it is they like and they try not to think about the dead animal or about the future of the planet.

    When we do this we reduce our life.
    We are like a drop of water. We can only avoid drying up when we throw ourselves into the ocean.

  • HanzzeHanzze Veteran
    Thinking that one acts have no consequences is not a wise way. The ostrich gets eaten as well. *smile*

    As long as somebody is not aware of his actions, there is not that much problem with such things, but from the moments we know, we should be very honest and try to change our ways. There is no need to harm and nobody can force us to do.

    Aware of harming and no intention to change we could us our self: "Whats wrong with these people ?"
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