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I was speaking directly about the passage I quoted. I trust your continued insistence of harmlessness and acceptance, which is why I was pointing out to you that the way you are describing it seems problematic. "If a person wants an indulgent surgery, go for it."
@aMatt, sorry if I did not use your name or give credit where it was due, my bad. It was laziness on my part because having to scroll up and down through all those posts was getting tedious.
I will look and see if I can find that thread on user names for you, too. Even on a computer digging up past threads is troublesome! LOL, I will send it via PM if you like No offense taken, btw.
I can't believe the direction this thread has taken. These attacks on MindGate have nothing to do with answering the OP. Or if they're not attacks, then "opinions" that tend to corner MG, misinterpret his intent, and put him on the defensive.
Back to the OP: I'm not sure a sex change wouldn't be ok for monks. One could have a sex change operation and still remain celibate. But the difference psychologically would be huge, it would be very healing, as I understand it. My limited understanding of this is that there is insurmountable dissonance between the body one is in, and one's sense of identity. For example, telling someone there's "no-self" isn't going to resolve the situation. If someone needs surgery in order to be well, so be it. I'm all for healing, and supporting people in doing what they need to do to achieve a sense of well-being, as long as it doesn't result in harm to self or others. A monk wouldn't be denied other types of therapeutic surgery. Why single out this type? At any rate, this sub-topic of the OP is overlapping with Talisman's thread, so maybe we don't need to rehash this anymore.
edit: "indulgent surgery" I didn't see that. Hopefully my comments (and others') make it clear this surgery isn't indulgent. It's not like getting cosmetic surgery.
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I was speaking directly about the passage I quoted. I trust your continued insistence of harmlessness and acceptance, which is why I was pointing out to you that the way you are describing it seems problematic. "If a person wants an indulgent surgery, go for it."
I will look and see if I can find that thread on user names for you, too. Even on a computer digging up past threads is troublesome! LOL, I will send it via PM if you like No offense taken, btw.
Back to the OP: I'm not sure a sex change wouldn't be ok for monks. One could have a sex change operation and still remain celibate. But the difference psychologically would be huge, it would be very healing, as I understand it. My limited understanding of this is that there is insurmountable dissonance between the body one is in, and one's sense of identity. For example, telling someone there's "no-self" isn't going to resolve the situation. If someone needs surgery in order to be well, so be it. I'm all for healing, and supporting people in doing what they need to do to achieve a sense of well-being, as long as it doesn't result in harm to self or others. A monk wouldn't be denied other types of therapeutic surgery. Why single out this type? At any rate, this sub-topic of the OP is overlapping with Talisman's thread, so maybe we don't need to rehash this anymore.
edit: "indulgent surgery" I didn't see that. Hopefully my comments (and others') make it clear this surgery isn't indulgent. It's not like getting cosmetic surgery.