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Buddhism for Socialists

HermanHesseHermanHesse
edited March 2006 in NewBuddhist.com
I think we should have this as Socialist sub-section. In fact why can't there be a European buddhist section...?
It's all about to catchment audience and inclusiveness.

HH
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  • zenmonk_genryuzenmonk_genryu
    edited March 2006
    I would say that Buddhism is already socialist in many aspects, but sees clearly that more than economic and political change is required to improve happiness and quality of life. Also, human beings are not primarily defined as economic units, or consumers or producers in Buddhism, it's vision is larger than that. I would go with the European Buddhist section idea wholeheartedly though, since there is a north american one.
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited March 2006
    I'm planning on a reworking of some of the forums in order to reflect the current nature of the site. Change --- eet eees good, no?

    In particular, I want to create a section for those more educated in buddhism. There are MANY discussions in "Buddhism 101" and "The New Buddhist" that are completely out of the realm of what a NEW buddhist would be able to follow, and frankly just plain scare people. There are so many that are out of the scope of "buddhism 101" that ... well I'll just have to create something that is appropriate for those types of discussions.

    European Buddhism - I'm on it.
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Okay, two new forums and one new category have been added:

    "Buddha U." - The category into which future forums for advanced buddhist discussions will fall

    "Buddhism 202" - You've graduated from 101...

    "European and Australian Buddhists" --- self explanatory...

    Mods, feel free to move any threads you deem appropriate into the new categories.

    Onward and upward! :)
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Thank you Herman for the suggestions. I'm having your memorial plaque made and it will be installed on the kiosk outside of the European buddhist section as soon as it's done ;)
  • XraymanXrayman Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Crikey!

    Thanks for the new Australian Buddhist forum, Brian!

    It's cool mate!

    Xrayman
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited March 2006
    :ausflag: ;)
  • zenmonk_genryuzenmonk_genryu
    edited March 2006
    I personally object to the inclusion of Australians with their own board. It's a slippery slope - before you know it, they'll be having us refer to everyone as "mate" as we crack open another tinnie, and we'll be forced to shed our sensible and discreet long trousers for shorts. Given time, there'll be the inevitable Strine translation section for the initiation of the unozified, and where will English be as what she is spoked I ask you?
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Not to mention Vegemite :eek:
  • XraymanXrayman Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Nice one ZM you display great wisdom once again! Perhaps you are being somewhat alarmist though?

    cheers, I'll crack open a tinnie right now!

    Xrayman
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Thank you Brian...I suddenly feel as if I have been elevated to a kind of Interpol status....!!

    Mod goes Global....!! :type: :lol:
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited March 2006
    zenmonk_genryu wrote:
    I personally object to the inclusion of Australians with their own board. It's a slippery slope - before you know it, they'll be having us refer to everyone as "mate" as we crack open another tinnie, and we'll be forced to shed our sensible and discreet long trousers for shorts. Given time, there'll be the inevitable Strine translation section for the initiation of the unozified, and where will English be as what she is spoked I ask you?

    LMAO!!!
  • HermanHesseHermanHesse
    edited March 2006
    They should have their own thing going on. They are Australasian not European. Brian there is a big cultural different between the Aussie's and us. Although they still have the Queen as head of state you have to remember that whilst we have produced cultural icon's such a Chantell from the big brother house and Gazzer, the best they could come up with is Men at Work and Paul Hogan.

    Sir, it just isn't cricket.

    HH
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Don't let's forget Jade and Johnny Vegas......:tonguec:
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited March 2006
    ... and vegemite ;[
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Boy, Brian, you sure dislike that vegemite!

    But the Brits have Marmite, which is equally disgusting.

    Brigid
  • XraymanXrayman Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Herman Hesse wrote:
    They should have their own thing going on. They are Australasian not European. Brian there is a big cultural different between the Aussie's and us. Although they still have the Queen as head of state you have to remember that whilst we have produced cultural icon's such a Chantell from the big brother house and Gazzer, the best they could come up with is Men at Work and Paul Hogan.

    Sir, it just isn't cricket.

    HH

    I'm going to treat this with the contempt it deserves...:rolleyesc
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited March 2006
    He's kidding, Xray.

    I thought it was funny.
    But you're laughing too, aren't you?
    Yes you are.

    Boo
  • PadawanPadawan Veteran
    edited March 2006
    zenmonk_genryu wrote:
    I personally object to the inclusion of Australians with their own board. It's a slippery slope - before you know it, they'll be having us refer to everyone as "mate" as we crack open another tinnie, and we'll be forced to shed our sensible and discreet long trousers for shorts. Given time, there'll be the inevitable Strine translation section for the initiation of the unozified, and where will English be as what she is spoked I ask you?


    No worries, ZM mate- just crack open a tinnie, stoke up the barbie, and she'll be apples!:grin:;)
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Brigid wrote:
    Boy, Brian, you sure dislike that vegemite!

    But the Brits have Marmite, which is equally disgusting.

    Brigid

    The Brits have a number of food items that are equally disgusting!

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    ....For example.....?
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Well...

    Black Pudding
    Kidney Pie
    Blood Sausage

    for starters...

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Well... blood sausage is black pudding.... and it's getting harder and harder to find good traditional totally British national dishes, we've been so over-run with chinese chow mein, mexican tortillas and enchilladas, Indian curries and dare I say it, hamburgers....
  • zenmonk_genryuzenmonk_genryu
    edited March 2006
    Curry is the British national dish though. You should try being over here - haven't had any toad in the hole or a decent banger for over a year now, and, to add insult to injury, I've yet to find a decent g & t anywhere. :-/
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    ZM believe me I feel for you... in all British supermarkets, there are acres and acres of aisles devoted to foreign foodstuffs...The French on the other hand are so insular as to be anal - to the point where one region will not usually provide dishes - or even ingreients - representative of another region, here in France!
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited March 2006
    zenmonk_genryu wrote:
    Curry is the British national dish though. You should try being over here - haven't had any toad in the hole or a decent banger for over a year now, and, to add insult to injury, I've yet to find a decent g & t anywhere. :-/

    G & T?

    What British meal does that stand for?

    Gout & Testes stew?

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Gin & Tonic.....
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited March 2006
    zenmonk_genryu wrote:
    Curry is the British national dish though. You should try being over here - haven't had any toad in the hole or a decent banger for over a year now, and, to add insult to injury, I've yet to find a decent g & t anywhere. :-/

    How come? No Tanqueray in Michigan? And surely you can find tonic water there, can't you? What brands of gin are available?

    BF,

    I love steak and kidney pie. We used to buy it in those flat round tins from the Spar and you just put them in the oven and they puff up, and the gravy was soooo good! With mashed potatoes and peas.

    I love all Brit food. Isn't that weird? Except blood pudding. I had the best meals of my life when I was over there. I thought I was going to miss the chips but a lot of places up here make chips that taste just the same. Yum! I really miss Marks and Spencer's sandwiches. They had chicken tikka, roast chicken and all sorts of other sandwiches.

    And the best ice cream ever. In Lampeter there was an ice cream/cafe place called Conti's (owned by an old Italian man named Mr. Conti) and he made his own ice cream that had received awards for years and years. It was vanilla but it was almost yellow and it was served slightly soft with a Flake chocolate thingy stuck in it. I loved all his food. He made little pizzas with the softest cheese and the best black olives. And frothy milk coffee. And there was a jukebox with all the latest music and it was always playing. We used to hang out there for hours. He didn't mind serving students.

    Ooops! I have no idea what this has to do with Buddhism or socialism.
    Sorry.
    I miss it. My post is about attachment. LOL!

    Brigid
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Brigid wrote:
    ?

    BF,

    I love steak and kidney pie. We used to buy it in those flat round tins from the Spar and you just put them in the oven and they puff up, and the gravy was soooo good! With mashed potatoes and peas.

    I love all Brit food. Isn't that weird? Except blood pudding. I had the best meals of my life when I was over there. I thought I was going to miss the chips but a lot of places up here make chips that taste just the same. Yum! I really miss Marks and Spencer's sandwiches. They had chicken tikka, roast chicken and all sorts of other sandwiches.

    And the best ice cream ever. In Lampeter there was an ice cream/cafe place called Conti's (owned by an old Italian man named Mr. Conti) and he made his own ice cream that had received awards for years and years. It was vanilla but it was almost yellow and it was served slightly soft with a Flake chocolate thingy stuck in it. I loved all his food. He made little pizzas with the softest cheese and the best black olives. And frothy milk coffee. And there was a jukebox with all the latest music and it was always playing. We used to hang out there for hours. He didn't mind serving students.

    Ooops! I have no idea what this has to do with Buddhism or socialism.
    Sorry.
    I miss it. My post is about attachment. LOL!
    Brigid


    Blood pudding is available in France, Hungary, and other Eastern European countries, so it's not strictly speaking, a typically traditional British food....

    Ditto with chips.....
    Chicken Tikka - Indian....

    Conti? That's Italian, not British.....Pizza and ice cream... Nobody does it better than the Italians....

    Steak & Kidney pie....Mmmmm!
    But bought - not home-made....

    And that's the problem, ladies & Gentlemen, with British food.

    It's hard to find, and nobody makes good old-fashioned home-made stuff any more....
    There are countless - and I DO mean, countless! - programmes on British TV about cooking... recipes abound, dishes galore, expert chefs to excess (Gordon Ramsay (Scottish) Anthony Worral-Thompson, Ainsley Harriott (Trinidadian) to name but three....) .... but the food is distinctly International....
    We have, to my mind, only One Chef in the UK who advocates good old British cooking - his name is Gary Rhodes, and he promotes the revival of Good Old British recipes so favoured by two generations ago...But he always adds a twist - like Balsamic Vinegar in a prawn salad....or chilli in a steak and kidney pudding.... or roast potatoes with red onion and garlic.... all unheard of in the Traditional British cuisine known by my grandma....

    It has got to the point where when my home country (and bear in mind I am more European than British, but I was born there) boasts that it's national dish is Indian Chicken Tikka Masala... I really do begin to wonder where our love of food is getting us....

    And you're right.
    We do appear to be wildly off-topic.
    Sorry, Herman......:wow: :o:lol:
  • MrsKarmadilloMrsKarmadillo
    edited March 2006
    Still off topic.... :tonguec:
    It has got to the point where when my home country (and bear in mind I am more European than British, but I was born there) boasts that it's national dish is Indian Chicken Tikka Masala...

    Point of interest, chicken tikka masala is our favourite "Indian" meal in the UK and has been named our national dish. It is, however, not a traditional Indian meal and was, allegedly, invented in the seventies when a diner in a Bangladeshi restaurant (in London or Glasgow or who knows where, as the story changes depending on the teller's home city!) asked for gravy with his chicken tikka. So the chef threw a few spices in a tin of tomato soup and the rest is history!

    More CTM facts (someone stop me?!...)

    * Sainsbury's sell 1.6 million CTM meals every year and stocks 16 CTM-related products including chicken tikka masala pasta sauce (eeeeeeewwwwwww). Other derivations include CTM crisps (double eeeeewwwwwww), CTM pizzas (??????!!!!!!!! :buck:) , CTM kievs and Marks and Spencer's famous CTM sandwiches (18 tonnes devoured every week).
    * A 1998 survey by Real Curry Restaurant Guide of 48 different CTMs found only common ingredient was chicken.
    * 23 million portions a year are sold in Indian restaurants.
    * 10 tonnes of Chicken Tikka Masala a day are produced by Noon Products destined for supermarkets.
    * Most schools and charities in Sylhet, Bangladesh are run by proceeds from its sales in the UK.
    * Chef Iftekar Haris from Newport, Gwent has written a musical in praise of it.
    * Organisers of Kingfisher National Curry Day claim that if all the portions sold in one year in UK were stacked they would constitute a tikka tower 2770 times taller than the Greenwich Millennium Dome (and it would be 4520 times more useful!).

    hmmmmmmmm....

    Now where's that Indian takeaway menu.................. :buck: :lol:

    Sas
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Conti? That's Italian, not British.....Pizza and ice cream... Nobody does it better than the Italians....

    Yes, Fede, I'm aware Mr. Conti was Italian. I was just talking about how much I enjoyed all the food I had over there. I wasn't writing a dissertation on English food.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Oh. I was.
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited March 2006
    federica wrote:


    Conti? That's Italian, not British.....Pizza and ice cream... Nobody does it better than the Italians....


    Sorry... pizza is as American as fortune cookies.

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    I think you may be right, but there is argument for the fact it may be second or third generation Italian... Pizza alla Napoletana - which is just tomato, Olive Oil, mozzarella and basil was in Naples for centuries... But yes, I think Pizza as we know it today, is by and large from there.
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Oh... I'm sure it is definitely Italy influenced... but "pizza" in all it's capitalistically glutonous configurations and porportions ... all American, baby.

    I just saw a show about fortune cookies. The Chinese never had fortune cookies. In fact, when restuarants in China started giving out fortune cookies about a decade or so ago, they were called "Authentic American Fortune Cookies".

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Huh! The next thing you'll be telling me is that spaghetti came from China...!!
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited March 2006
    Zenmonk, should we ever meet, I would like to take you to Red Coat Tavern ;)

    It is possibly more "british" in cuisine than most places you are likely to find here in the states :D
  • XraymanXrayman Veteran
    edited March 2006
    I think (emphasis on the think) that the true "pizza" idea came from the Calzone? A kind of folded pizza.

    This is from italy-rather than the pizza-pie concept (open pizza), which is American.

    DISCLAIMER
    The above statement was from an Australian-born German/Dutchman, who may or may not have a clue about anything to do with pizza, except for his penchant for the taste of the said foodstuff.
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited March 2006
    zenmonk_genryu wrote:
    haven't had any toad in the hole or a decent banger for over a year now, :-/

    HUH?? what in the world is "toad in the hole"? And what is a "banger"?
  • XraymanXrayman Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Toad in the hole is (I think) bread with a sausage baked into it (the bread forms a hole and the end of the sausage is the toad.)

    A banger is a sausage-I think it gets it's name from the way I cook sausages, on a high heat until they explode i.e. Bang!
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited March 2006
    LOL!!!! Neither of those sound appetizing to me AT ALL. So a toad in the hole is what we call a "pig in the blanket", right?
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
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    Toad-in-the-hole is sausages baked in the oven, in a yorkshire-pudding, batter-like mix... the kind you might use for thick pancakes, but savoury... it's served hot, with a good onion gravy and mashed potatoes...it's two minutes in the mouth, two hours in the stomach and two years on the hips... it's stodgy, but wholesome, winter-warming good ol' hearty food....!!
  • XraymanXrayman Veteran
    edited March 2006
    Is it just me, or is the term somewhat euphamistic? teehee (schoolboy humour)
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited March 2006
    fede....just thinking about that being in my stomach makes me a bit queasy!!!

    Xrayman...stop being so immature. :) Oh, who am I kidding...it made me giggle too.
  • FrizzerFrizzer
    edited March 2006
    Well as we're talking about native foods, I tried Reindeer sausage in Norway - it was lovely !
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2006
    YogaMama wrote:
    fede....just thinking about that being in my stomach makes me a bit queasy!!!

    Xrayman...stop being so immature. :) Oh, who am I kidding...it made me giggle too.

    Well, I did say it was comfort food, all stodgy and filling.
    There's nothing to stop you from trying it with vegetarian sausages...

    Frizzer...
    Reindeer meat is very good for you. Protein rich and low fat. Very like venison.

    Lucky you!
  • FrizzerFrizzer
    edited March 2006
    I love venison!

    Grilled venison with cranberry sauce and roasted veggies......mmmmmm!

    Sometimes I think i could easily go back to being a veggie, but then again...........
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited March 2006
    You guys are sicking me out with all this talk about meat. :crazy:
  • FrizzerFrizzer
    edited March 2006
    Sorry Yogamama, I'll be quiet now :)

    By the way, the tomatoes have started to sprout !
  • YogaMamaYogaMama
    edited March 2006
    Have they really? Hooray! How exciting! We planted some kale, spinach, mesculin and bib lettuce a few weeks back, and it has started sprouting. It's so cool. I can't wait for our first homegrown salad. Yummy. We are planting a bunch more veggies this weekend, including our tomato plants. Keep me posted on your tomatoes.
  • FrizzerFrizzer
    edited March 2006
    Will do!
    We've also bought some little blueberry bushes so hopefully they'll grow nicely and we'll get fresh blueberries.
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