OSHO: Strange Consequences

Asshat

This is quite funny! I remember reading a post on io9.com about the word fu*k, apparently it does help to ease pain when saying it. Hope everyone is having a fu*king nice day! Namaste.

ImmersedOne

That was pretty funny...Osho really is very wise, though. One of my favorite people.

patbb

Osho?

there were alot of controversies around him.

and his love (attachments) to expansive and luxurious stuff is a great indication that he haven't found the way to enlightenment and/or personnel freedom.

I wouldn't call him wise; perhaps knowledgeable of philosophy would be more appropriate?

There are plenty of great masters to choose from.
You choose a guide so you can learn the way to enlightenment/freedom.
Why listen to someone who clearly hasn't found the way himself? unless one wants to be misguided that is.

Jeffrey

patbb, not contradicting but I saw something interesting about Osho. He had a huge palacial room with high ceilings and perhaps marble or what not. So we are talking about the size of 5 of my bedrooms not including the ceiling I would guess.

Ok so his room he has NOTHING in it except for a bed and a cushion IIRC.

patbb

the day i see the Dalai Lama buying a bunch of Rolls Royce for himself and justifying the money spent on them convincingly, i'll reconsider.

that day might coincide with the day Dick Cheney is arrested and trialed for crime against humanity, which is not about to happen so until then;

Osho just wanted to be rich and found a way to do it, just like thousands of other Indian Gurus, just Osho happen to be pretty good at it and created a nice sect to finance his greed.

ImmersedOne

Osho?

there were alot of controversies around him.

and his love (attachments) to expansive and luxurious stuff is a great indication that he haven't found the way to enlightenment and/or personnel freedom.

I wouldn't call him wise; perhaps knowledgeable of philosophy would be more appropriate?

There are plenty of great masters to choose from.
You choose a guide so you can learn the way to enlightenment/freedom.
Why listen to someone who clearly hasn't found the way himself? unless one wants to be misguided that is.

I mean this as no offense, but it is a testimony to your own attachments that you see Osho thus. To you, an enlightened individual must live a simple lifestyle. To Osho, and others of like mind, there is no right or wrong way, you simply go with what is natural, do not deny anything. This is total acceptance of all things. Osho expects people to react to you do. As they react such, he laughs at their attachments, or more specifically aversions. He knows it makes people confused and frustrated to see him being successful in such material ways, and if anything it is a test of sorts. Do you see the Truth that knows no duality, or are you still attaching to certain idea of what enlightenment means?

patbb

Osho expects people to react to you do. As they react such, he laughs at their attachments, or more specifically aversions.

this is absurd.

nice way to justify his greed.

i guess you love the guy so you can hardly hold an objective view.
here is how it is:
The Dalai Lama have a harem of prostitutes but people object to it;

Dalai Lama expects people to react as you do. As they react such, he laughs at their attachments, or more specifically aversions.

The Dalai Lama is a heavy drug and gambling user, people object to it;

Dalai Lama expects people to react as you do. As they react such, he laughs at their attachments, or more specifically aversions.

The Dalai Lama roll around in Rolls Royce, attending parties, getting wasted and living the movie star life listening to gangsta rap, people object to it;

Dalai Lama expects people to react as you do. As they react such, he laughs at their attachments, or more specifically aversions.

federica

Using language that is likely to offend some, is a carelessness in Mindfulness.

Of course it depends on context...

research has shown that if one is experiencing extreme discomfort or pain, the use of expletives is actually registered to reduce the discomfort. It's a way of venting and re-channelling the attention on the pain, and diverting the focus...
However, it was also proven that this method is far less effective for someone who habitually uses foul language, because the impact and consequent effect is lessened.

However, swearing for effect, or to create an effect, is not to my mind, skilful.
I have been known to edit/delete posts containing wanton, careless foul language....

Dakini

I'm with patbb, just for the record. I have nothing to add, he's doing just fine.

ImmersedOne

It's irrelevant to me, because I do not feel spirituality and a minimalistic lifestyle are inherently intertwined, so this whole thing is a non-issue for me.

Nonetheless, for anyone interested...

From his biography...[url]https://www.oshodhara.org.in/Osho-Biography/Osho-Biography-P8CH20.aspx[/url]

[quote]Those Rolls Royces were not produced by the commune. They were presents from outside, from all over the world. And I was not their owner--I had given them to the commune. They were commune property, and I have not brought any of them with me; I have left them with the commune. Everything that I had has been left with the commune. I never owned anything. But there must have been the idea that they are earning money, and I am wasting money. That is their resentment.
What money were you earning? In fact you needed money to make houses, to make roads, to make a dam--a dam needed two and a half million dollars to make. You were contributing your labor, but we were not creating money out of it so that I could purchase Rolls Royces, so that I could purchase anything. I have not purchased anything from the money produced by the commune because the commune never produced any money. The commune was absorbing money.
In fact all my royalties, all my books, all their profits were going to the commune. The situation is just the opposite--that I had given everything to the commune. Now, four hundred books in different languages were bringing millions of dollars in royalties, and those royalties were going to the commune.
If I had wanted to purchase Roll Royces, I could have purchased my own Rolls Royces, as many as I wanted, just out of my royalties.
But the resentment, the anger, is blind. In the commune we invested two hundred million dollars. Those sannyasins perhaps think they had brought two hundred million dollars there! Without me and the people who love me around the world, those two hundred million dollars would not have been possible[/quote]

ImmersedOne

Damnit I wish the edit was working properly for me...url and quote is messed up...

I also wanted to edit and add that I feel that Osho is very misunderstood, particularly by the more typical of the religious/spiritual-types, and for me to properly explain why this is the case would take an incredible amount of effort, as it's really all related to...well, everything that this spirituality is all about, and therefore is far too much for this thread. Lucky for us, though, noone needs to accept any particular individual as legitimate and worthy of consideration, and therefore we are all free to whatever opinions we may hold about any individual.

patbb

well if what he says in his biography is true, that makes it a little bit better.

but why wouldn't he donate/invest the money from the cars and the luxurious material to charity or directly help people?

a bit better but it still doesn't add up.

taiyaki

On a relative level it helps to feed people and help them materially.

On the absolute level it helps to show your way of being. Expressing truth. The guru does not fondle your ego. His job is to piss and cut through all ego. To teach truth is to save a being.

Until a being has realized that material wealth doesn't bring happiness then they can truly enjoy material wealth. Then the true path starts.

Until then we chase happiness in objects. Be it enlightenment or cars.

Osho caters to a certain mindset. The tantric mindset. Rare are those who can follow such path without destroying oneself and others.

Asshat

@federica I agree. I don't use the f word much, unless I am in pain which I try not to say out loud. I can see though, someone using it all the time and surely then there will be no effect. I do find it funny and odd that a guru would use it to explain something. I don't know much about Osho but I am learning more about him lately. Didn't expect to come across that youtube video though!