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Can i have my personal view on rebirth? Do you have your own?
StoicBuddhistAlex
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Hello great people of this forum.
I dont know if this view can go in hand with buddhism but for what i've readed i have come to a conclusion wish i feel suits me.
As there is no a real sperate self from the all. When we die we just loose our human ego and form, and with natural process we end up having other forms, our atoms reagroup in other ways. This way in countless "births" and "deaths" with the whole universe, as it seems that physics says that the universe is going to die but for some quantum fold it can rebirth.
We are a part of the all and the all is a part of us, there is no seperate self from the all and with. I call rebirth the countless reagroupations of our infinitesimal parts.
Do you have your own view of rebirth¿
Looking forward for your answers
I dont know if this view can go in hand with buddhism but for what i've readed i have come to a conclusion wish i feel suits me.
As there is no a real sperate self from the all. When we die we just loose our human ego and form, and with natural process we end up having other forms, our atoms reagroup in other ways. This way in countless "births" and "deaths" with the whole universe, as it seems that physics says that the universe is going to die but for some quantum fold it can rebirth.
We are a part of the all and the all is a part of us, there is no seperate self from the all and with. I call rebirth the countless reagroupations of our infinitesimal parts.
Do you have your own view of rebirth¿
Looking forward for your answers
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I use to get involved in rebirth debates, defending my opinion and getting into arguments etc. This is unskilful on various levels. If you think about it, we should remain in the moment and cultivate our spiritual self, helping those around us and being just all round decent people. (living according to the dharma). If you do this, we will have made the best of our life, and if rebirth is a reality, then that will just be a bonus to look forward to. I myself believe in rebirth, how exactly it works I am not sure, but I believe it happens.
Spiny
To come back to rebirth: I do not know if a separate self exists or does not exist (although I have a working hypothesis that says it does not exist). Still, I know from direct experience that there is awareness of a human body. If the human body ceases to function, and disintegrates, what happens to the awareness? Either it disappears, and rebirth seems impossible, or it persists, and rebirth might be a possibility (in the future, there could be awareness of a different body). This is independent of the question whether a separate self exists. So to say that rebirth cannot be possible because there is no separate self does not seem a correct view to me. (Sorry if this is repeating what is said in 23 other threads, I usually skip them).
Thank you for this piece of insight. I can see how this might might work with karma. Perhaps, our positive or negative karma affects the regroup process in such a way to determine how we are "reborn". Hence, different energies "karma" effect different types and amounts of atoms during the rebirth process.
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Imagine a scientist takes a trip to a 2-dimensional world. What happens when he tells all those around him there is a 3rd dimension? What will the 2-dimensional figures think?
In the same way, the fact that us 3-dimensional human beings can't see a 4th dimension - i.e., karma does not constitute grounds for its' rejection. It is a working hypothesis.
Also ponder, if we disappear at death...how were we ever born? Isn't it a miracle we were born in the first place?
Consider psychological view - doing good brings your mind into a "better state" - a heaven. Doing bad things brings your mind into a "worse state" - a hell.
Multiple facets of this issue
My feeling is that the matter of so-called rebirth is not a matter of religion or philosophy. It is not some emotional or intellectual Tinker Toy. It is not a finely-woven way of explaining anything, including death. For my money, rebirth, so-called, is just a fact ... moment after moment: a fact.
Believing it or disbelieving it, defining it or failing to define it, is a secondary matter. Rebirth makes better sense factually when there is some effort to get to the bottom of things, to focus the mind, to meditate, to find out for yourself.
Belief and hope may spur the willingness to examine, but they cannot bring peace of mind when it comes to "rebirth." With patience, courage and doubt, a meditation practice works better.
Just my take.
Personally, rebirth or otherwise / what happens after you die / what is out there etc doesnt feature in my living moments - I am neither positve or negative about it - enjoy reading stuff on topic and learing about physics etc and I debate possibilites I suppose but at core, it doesnt feature...
my 'belief' like most of them for myself are based on experience of some sort. That follows what teh buddha said about trusting what you know and experience over just teachings. The buddhist information is very helpful for me to make sense of it, as it the way i have looked at it with physics (too early to remember all that).
The bottom line for me is to not get caught up in the argument more than the practice. Being attached to some super cool past life is a distraction. Sometimes we can learn something looking back into our childhood and other times it is just another life. Same with a life in another body. As far as the rebirth thing I question to some extent that we are a unique soul who comes and goes in individual bodies. It makes sense to me that we can come back in multiple bodies or have several individuals who come back together in one body. I haven't thought about it much but the idea is interesting (also from a writerly point of view)
There are some things in Buddhism that are -- to some extent -- cut and dried. The 5 Precepts for example...though even they can generate some debate.
Then there are other concepts which are more nebulous -- like rebirth.
How do we look at the difference? Perhaps it is the wisdom that is -- versus -- the wisdom of what could be.
We are all just drops of the eternal energy that is all things.
Don't worry about birth, Don't worry about death; Live this life, Live this very moment!
No Birth, No Death, No Fear!
Perhaps I would say to focus on "Don't worry about birth, Don't worry about death; Live this life, Live this very moment!", while realizing that we all will ponder.
I don't see a problem with faith, providing that one knows the difference between what their believe based on faith, and what they believe based on fact.
At the mundane level, we have many questions, concerning our physical
and mental condition.
If something suits you fine, but its not what Buddha taught.
1. Our understanding of what the Buddha taught;
2. Our own current beliefs and assumptions.
This approach defuses the apparent dichotomy described above.
Spiny
- Buddha
All the main Buddhist traditions agree that the Buddha taught rebirth, and there are repeated references to rebirth and the realms in the Pali Cannon.
Suttas and sutras should always be read with an open mind, not with preconceptions or personal bias.
Spiny
Spiny
Even if Kamma does not exist, your belief in it will lead to more kindness, helpfulness, and discipline. You will have a happier life here and now. A rebirth is a bonus.
Spiny