What FACEBOOK and GOOGLE are Hiding from world.!

DaltheJigsaw

ThailandTom

Big Brother.

But fair play to this guy, addressing the big heads in a very decent manner that people at the top may actually listen to. What he said however does not surprise me that much. Thanks for posting.

DaltheJigsaw

Welcome and thanks for sharing your thoughts! I like!

person

Important information. I've been bothered lately that when I log into you tube I'm also automatically logged in on my google toolbar, I always log out once I'm done on you tube. He points out though that there are still many ways that google tailors searches to the individual. So while we may think that the internet is this vast ocean of information the gatekeepers are tailoring it so we live in a bubble of information we already agree with and like. Not in a nefarious way, but in the all about me way of the modern world.

DaltheJigsaw

Important information. I've been bothered lately that when I log into you tube I'm also automatically logged in on my google toolbar, I always log out once I'm done on you tube. He points out though that there are still many ways that google tailors searches to the individual. So while we may think that the internet is this vast ocean of information the gatekeepers are tailoring it so we live in a bubble of information we already agree with and like. Not in a nefarious way, but in the all about me way of the modern world.

I know this is crazy!

vinlyn

I think the counterbalance here may be sheer numbers. For example, You Tube has 4 billion (yes, that's right...billion with a hits per day. While I may have some concern about what they do with their data, I doubt anyone can analyze that much data on any consistent basis.

DaltheJigsaw

I think the counterbalance here may be sheer numbers. For example, You Tube has 4 billion (yes, that's right...billion with a hits per day. While I may have some concern about what they do with their data, I doubt anyone can analyze that much data on any consistent basis.

Wow! Any good sources?

CosmicGypsy

Vinlyn is right, but it's perhaps still worrying. Theoretically you could flag certain activity or buzzwords and then track members who display undesired behaviour.

In effect it's the slippery slope fallacy, to look at what's happening now and say that in future x, y or z could happen. That if we allow what's going on now to happen, where does it end? But I think the concerns are valid, even if fallacious. I know I don't trust those who run my world. In fact, I say we shouldn't give them an inch. Lets remember that it was only a decade or two ago - to our knowledge - that the CIA were still spying on and trying to incriminate people because they happened to be Communists. I think at times we can give the power elite a little too much credit, as we give them human qualities that we have, when most of them are actually out and out heartless psychopaths.

I don't believe what Google are doing now is sinister, they're acting in their own self-interest and cross promoting whatever platforms and services they have to offer. But it's still unpleasant and worrying - if not for their actions then for the lack of outrage by the common browser.

If internet freedom is lost then I think in a future-historical context the policies and activities we're now seeing from the big social-media networks will be seen as significant. We should be vigilant and on guard. Cyber-terrorism will be the talking point of this generation and it's important that we don't fall for the hype and sacrifice security for freedom -- Speaking more generally than topically.

CosmicGypsy

I think the counterbalance here may be sheer numbers. For example, You Tube has 4 billion (yes, that's right...billion with a hits per day. While I may have some concern about what they do with their data, I doubt anyone can analyze that much data on any consistent basis.

Wow! Any good sources?

I believe vinlyn is referring to hits rather than unique visitors. A single user for example could generate a good 50 + hits in a day. The unique person rate for Youtube is impressive, but not to that extent. Last I heard Youtube receives 15 - 20 million unique visitors a day.


Still about 15-20 million too many users to properly spy on individuals lmao!

vinlyn

I recently re-watched the old Spencer Tracy film "Inherit The Wind". There was one scene that kind of stuck in my mind, that -- broadly paraphrased -- may apply here: "I think there's a little man somewhere that balances out what you can have. Yes, you can have an essentially free internet, but you give up the right to some of your privacy."

@LeonBasin: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/youtube-video-views_n_1223070.html

vinlyn

I believe vinlyn is referring to hits rather than unique visitors. A single user for example could generate a good 50 + hits in a day. The unique person rate for Youtube is impressive, but not to that extent. Last I heard Youtube receives 15 - 20 million unique visitors a day.


Still about 15-20 million too many users to properly spy on individuals lmao!

Yes, I said hits. Please note that under your calculation that would be an average of 200 hits per day per user.

DaltheJigsaw

Thanks both!

person

I think the counterbalance here may be sheer numbers. For example, You Tube has 4 billion (yes, that's right...billion with a hits per day. While I may have some concern about what they do with their data, I doubt anyone can analyze that much data on any consistent basis.

An average computer can handle billions of calculations per second. Supercomputers trillions or quadrillions.

If the point is using that information against someone, that's not really what the talker is referring to. He's talking about tailoring search results to the tastes of the searcher so that information that doesn't fit that person's worldview isn't registered or prefiltering the knowledge a person recieves.

CosmicGypsy

I believe vinlyn is referring to hits rather than unique visitors. A single user for example could generate a good 50 + hits in a day. The unique person rate for Youtube is impressive, but not to that extent. Last I heard Youtube receives 15 - 20 million unique visitors a day.


Still about 15-20 million too many users to properly spy on individuals lmao!

Yes, I said hits. Please note that under your calculation that would be an average of 200 hits per day per user.

It does seem stupidly high but that's all I could find for unique visitors a day. The stats I found must be out of date, because an average of 200 page views a day seems extremely improbable, even for a website like Youtube.

After digging for more recent results 'Nielsen' puts the monthly unique visitor count for Youtube at 130 Million. Which is actually only 4-5 million unique visitors a day.

http://breakingnewsworld.net/2012/01/youtube-hits-130-million-unique-monthly-visits/

Not sure how Youtube are receiving 4 billion hits a day with that number of uniques. Unless they're claiming ad impressions to be page views, or some trickery along those lines

DaltheJigsaw

I think the counterbalance here may be sheer numbers. For example, You Tube has 4 billion (yes, that's right...billion with a hits per day. While I may have some concern about what they do with their data, I doubt anyone can analyze that much data on any consistent basis.

An average computer can handle billions of calculations per second. Supercomputers trillions or quadrillions.

If the point is using that information against someone, that's not really what the talker is referring to. He's talking about tailoring search results to the tastes of the searcher so that information that doesn't fit that person's worldview isn't registered or prefiltering the knowledge a person recieves.

Well, this information can be used against us. Actually it is being used against us...The main way is product marketing and other types of advertisements.