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Do you guys remember your dreams?
I used to lucid dream sometimes -- realize you're in a dream while it's going on.
I used to lucid dream sometimes -- realize you're in a dream while it's going on.
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It was strange and I felt a little mad and I couldn't control anything. I was just a watcher.
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there is something in me that doesn't sleep sometimes...I can't describe it but
the best I can say it is just a very very subtle awareness....
when normally we wake up...we feel like we are waking up...literally.
all of a sudden that conscioussness and awareness comes back and darkness goes away.
when that subtle awareness is active during my sleep, I observed few times the waking up state. There is literally no waking up...Once chitta goes away another gets in and we call this waking up. It is very mechanical and It is pretty weird...The difference between sleeping and waking up disappeared. Only one thought replaced with another...so true
I agree...consciousness is very interesting...its technology you know...
Reminds me of the first four-line gatha I memorized
"All conditioned dharma are like
dreams, illusions, bubbles, shadows,
dew drops, a flash of lightning,
contemplate them thus."
It was incredible, and I tried to recreate the experience many times to no avail.
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I decided to take a nap one day and set my alarm for 1 hour. I became aware of my body and a slight "paralysis" let's say. I was pretty sure I could move still, but I didn't want to mess up what was going on, so I just watched. I saw dark purple energy fields moving over my sightscape from right to left and back again... the thought occurred "am I watching myself enter REM / fall asleep?" -- then I was in a pre-dream state, where the "surroundings" were mostly empty, and I could still sense my body. I was soon blasted into a dream! I was sorta flying. then I went back to the pre-dream state, and flipped into another dream, this time in a park, looking at a mother holding a child. I tried to "zoom in" and their faces dissipated into interesting geometries and shapes. Back again to the "pre-dream" state for a brief moment, and I was again in a dream, that felt very very real, sitting in a parked car in the middle of an empty highway. I pulled it over to the side of the road. The car came to a smooth, effortless stop when I "hit" a wall. I woke up. 59 minutes had passed on my alarm clock.
Intrigued and bewildered, I tried to remember if it was something I ate or the conditions of how I slept.
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No dice in experiencing this twice yet in a nap, but it was insightful into the deep and unfathomable nature of mind.
I think in long meditation there’s a lot of partial sleeping going on.
What made the other night so extreme was that it happened at least three times in a row. I fell asleep... opened my eyes... body wouldn't move... my hallucination this time was that something was trying to grab at my legs, I tried to kick with all of my might... tried to scream... finally succeeded and woke up... fell asleep again... repeat several more times. It's frustrating and terrifying. But hey, at least the hallucinations were rather mild this time (I've had much much worse). It really is a strange phenomenon.
But as a side note, yes, I have had lucid dreams as well. It always seems as though the knowledge of the dream seems to make them dissipate faster though, unfortunately. There has been a few times that I've been able to control my dream for a little while and that is pretty neat.
was great.
Lucid dreaming is a useful tool linked with dream walking - the debate continues on whether you travel within or not.
@zombiegirl - if Pete Tosh is to be believed... shout "Bombaclot" in your mind and youre instantly released...
fun and interesting but I discovered very different subtle states of mind that can pass beyond astral/dream realm...my practice is to bring light to the unconsciousness...observing subconsiousness is relativey easy for me, but observing the unconsciousness is difficult task....how do you observe unconsciouss phenomena, right? , but it is possible (i.e. edgar cayce I believe has natural ability to dive into unconsiousness) some stuff are really interesting...
I'm not sure it can be observed as to reach that level, I think that your observer will hav long evaporated - is the unconscious you speak of possibly the same as the timeless state? If it is then it is constant - I find that to experience that, one needs to let go of 'experience' and just 'be'... sorry - I didnt realise how hard this would be to put into words - if you know what I mean then you may feel that its beyond words... everytime I try to capture it with words, it's fixed and not what I am explaining as that is beyond explanation... woah... this is much harder than I thought.
If you get this point then perhaps we can just nod at eachother and smile...? that might be the purest way to express this understanding or ununderstanding (I'm doing it again!!!)..
there are different types of experiences where I lost the sense of time...
in samadhi - where you see clear light, your self identity is gone in utter brightness and there is no feeling of speace or time, it is only concentration - but this is not so liberating in my opinion..
nirvanic experience - here there is no clear light, in fact there is nothing whatsoever, it is only wisdom. This cannot be explained by words...it is very liberating...my favorite.
very subtle beigness - this beingness is very complete and full of satisfaction. It is no experience of anything. It is just being in the hearth and it is wonderful. also my favorite. Everything disappears, mind is gone like a wind...everything but your essence stays...it doesn't have the wisdom component...its only being without knowing.
boundless space - in this case, your mind is very subtle. It travels with infinite space, so basically you feel like you are not travelling at all, somehow you are everywhere filling up the all space. Time here is also lost but not completely...
unconsciousness- this gets very interesting sometimes. You dive like you dive into an ocean. You are on the surface with full awareness and you submit yourself to unconsciousness. But this takes a long time - one needs to pass a lot of mind states to arrive this phase...When you dive into unconsciousness, you blacked out for a while but somehow you are in control. You dive into it and you come back.
It has every knowledge in it. You hold a question in your mind and then you dive into unconsciousness, you blacked out for couple of seconds-no being no time no space...its nothing - its like you recieved full anesthesia but it only lasts seconds, and when you come back you have the answer to your questions. And you can do it over and over and over in one session...awake, unconsciouss, awake, unconsciouss, like ten times in a minute...How and who holds the information when I am unconsciouss is unknown to me...This phase is complete mystery to me. Its just so difficult to get there, you need to be very patient...
Samadhi - this is the easiest - I dont count this one
Nirvanic - this is the gateway to me - its a useful milestone.
Beigeness - I call this being 'connected' - my first experience of where I am in the order of it all.
Boundless space - this was a very profound moment... I interprested this as a combination of nirvanic and beigeness - thought it is not the sum of the two... for me, this was an awakening and formed the basis of the new chapter.
Unconsciousness - this is where it's AT!! you've expressed my meditative practice - I understand your 'control' point - its less control and more some unexpressable constant that I figure derives from boundless space phase - I get your patience point also and difficulty too - would you agree that the key is no patience and no difficulty? perhaps akin to taking off your clothes, then peeling your skin, then the flesh, then the bones, then the mind and then its unconscious?? no pain or gore ofcourse...
My progression to this final state started during sleep - it found me by accident - once I had experienced it, i called it "visiting the hall of records" - I'm not sure why I call it that as there is no hall and no records... it just came out like that - though I have no goal during meditation, this is inevitably where I end up - it is possible to extend the period of unconsciousness but I'm not sure how as a moment is very long down there and I also have fleeting moments - I fleet between unconsciouss and boundless space...
My latest thought on it is maybe this is close to death experience?
i send you a personal message....thanks
I was entering a kind of church or chapel. It was almost empty and pretty dark inside.
As i looked on the ground, it was covered with sand and weeds.
It started changing however, from all sides the ground was changing into stone; they appeared everywhere, pushing the ground and green aside and replacing them by tiles that pictured flowers. Made me think of a caleidoscope.
At the end of the room there was a kind of chalice in the ground laying flat on its side. The tiles came in from all sides, finaly covering also the chalice but picturing an image of it on the surface.
Beyond the chalice was an entrance to a second room, out of which a woman (nun?) came with a group of young girls. She had a necklace in her hands, and spoke to the girls about something like the more you do this (felt like a negative thing) the more pearls you earn.
That's when in my dream i started thinking, this is how belief was lost (looking back at the stone taking over the green and the girls being misled)
I entered the second room, like a parliament or something, which was radiant white. There was a crowd surrounding a man (Jesus?) Althoug it seemed like there was a party going on, i had a feeling he was going to be trialed. As i entered i saluted him.
After me another man came in, which i knew because i said a few words to him. He was congratulated by some others because of the "good thing" he had done for the community.
Then, in spite of the fact as i feel it he was going to die, the Jesus-man said something like "in this man you'll have to put your trust for the future". He started applauding for the stranger and the whole room joined him
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the difference between the two rooms, the first one dark and being taken over by the stones and the second one light and full of joy was very strange