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I Saw A UFO?

edited February 2012 in General Banter
Last night I was looking through my mini-book, and there is this image that is sort of 5 images in one. One of them says "Post-Terrestrials" and it's a guy standing there with all sorts of crazy stuff in the sky. I began to wonder if it were possible for "Post-Terrestrials," or individuals who have activated higher circuits of consciousness than is typical among humanity, to have that kind of impact over the actual environment. The power to make crazy things actually happen in the sky and with the world. I then remembered my previous experiences of high-consciousness, and how it seemed like crazy shit just followed me everywhere. Let me preface my retelling of this incident by saying that it seems that I have been doing better and better with my consciousness recently, and I have been having a fairly insane amount of synchronicity(now, synchronicity has been the norm for me for a while, so I don't even consider it to be that unusual anymore, but the frequency has certainly been increasing again as of late).

Earlier today I was going to the gym, and I was thinking about my consciousness bringing about unusual/awesome things in the sky, trying to imagine it happening. Then, when I was driving home, that is exactly what happened. This thing shot downwards through the sky, and it was star-shaped, as in how you would draw a star. It was flashing bright neon green and red(those are the colors I saw, anyways, in the brief time that I saw it), and seemed to be emitting sparks; it seemed more energetic than physical. I was with my dad at the time, who is not the type to think about things outside of normal thoughts, and even he could provide no explanation as to what it was. I tried, and have continued to try, to think of any alternative explanation as to what it could have been, besides a UFO; I can not think of anything. So this was an amazing experience, and "coincidentally" coincided with the exact time that I was thinking about this sort of thing happening, providing another amazing synchronicity.
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  • Hey, stranger things have happened. @zero would probably find this interesting.

    I wish you could have taken video. That would have been cool.
  • OK, your dad saw it too, so we know you weren't imagining it. Often this type of phenomenon is accounted for by weather balloons. Sometimes airforce activity is responsible. Any airforce bases in your area?
  • I'm well interested in the experience - one thing i note is that both of you saw it - if it were up to a state of mind then surely only one person would have seen it? hmmmm... come back to me on PM zen_world - we have our discussion languishing... ball in your court mate.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Hey, stranger things have happened. @zero would probably find this interesting.

    I wish you could have taken video. That would have been cool.
    I would also find this interesting!:)
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    I'm well interested in the experience - one thing i note is that both of you saw it - if it were up to a state of mind then surely only one person would have seen it? hmmmm... come back to me on PM zen_world - we have our discussion languishing... ball in your court mate.
    I want to be on the experience/conversation too!:)
  • I'm well interested in the experience - one thing i note is that both of you saw it - if it were up to a state of mind then surely only one person would have seen it? hmmmm... come back to me on PM zen_world - we have our discussion languishing... ball in your court mate.
    I want to be on the experience/conversation too!:)
    I'm confused about what is being discussed :eek:
  • I have a side discussion with zen_world on different types of consciousness etc - sorry - I made a mistake - I glanced at OP and thought it was zen_world!

    I have my own UFO issue that I'm dealing with plus I am researching the Leary stuff that Immersedone linked me to... will be a while before I have coherent thoughts on it...

    Immersedone - it certainly was an Unidentified Flying Object... now to work out what it could have been! keep looking up...
  • I'm not doubting UFO sightings, but when you say that you have powers that derive from having a conscious higher than most humans that can bring UFOs down for others to see... I believe you have serious delusion issues, to the point where you should go get checked out... I know that sounds mean, but I don't know how else to say that you may need help.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    I'm not doubting UFO sightings, but when you say that you have powers that derive from having a conscious higher than most humans that can bring UFOs down for others to see... I believe you have serious delusion issues, to the point where you should go get checked out... I know that sounds mean, but I don't know how else to say that you may need help.
    Why do you say that? Is it because you question your own sanity? :)

  • Not really... Shouldn't we be encouraging each other in dissolving our egos? And when www see someone building up their ego by perceiving super human powers, how are we helping by playing along?
  • I cant access youtube at the moment but when I can I will post a vid of an actual investigated UFO sighting - its rated number 2 I think in the world's top 10 sightings (on one website I saw) - I know one of the children who witnessed it first hand with their own eyes - it is what it is...

    @telly03 - the concept is 'out of the box' but not dellusional - you assume that 4 dimensions (3 space and 1 time) or as one theory paints 3 dimensions (2 space and 1 time) is the only reality that can support 'life' or 'consciousness'... physics / maths shows that there are many more dimensions and that space can be folded in (I think) 12 dimensions? certainly more than we knowingly experience.

    What is a dimension though? you'll be stuck as its a mathematical concept that doesnt translate.

    The mind is able to experience various states of consciousness (perhaps experiencing another dimension) - there are many reports of people considering that UFO's are here all the time but we dont see them as they do not feature in our perception of reality.

    A good analogy I heard was like you walking past an anthill - your interaction will at best be destructive (so to be avoided) but there will be no intellectual communication or recognition from the ants - likely they wont even notice you if you wizz by in a car... maybe...

    Unidentified Flying Objects are a fact - what they are and what youre seeing is something else.
  • The idea is that UFO's, as well as other phenomona, are actually of a higher vibrational frequency. Raising of your own consciousness is akin to a raising of your own vibrations, and if you were to raise your vibrations it is logical to think that things that are of a higher vibrational frequency are more likely to be found in your reality. After all, your reality is constructed based on the interaction of your own personal energies. Thus, higher personal vibrational frequency=higher vibrational reality, and thus more potential for higher vibrational objects and occurrences.
  • edited February 2012
    Also, thinking that the present stage of typical humanity is the culmination of all evolution is delusional. Logical scientific thought is on my side, that normal modern day humans are indeed NOT the end of all evolution. :thumbsup:
  • I dont know about 'logical scientific thought' but certainly a very interesting view point that should not be dismissed out of hand - you're tackling a very abstract and esoteric topic in a refreshingly modern way - I suppose youre used to the usual conditioned responses from people...

    Personally, I am neither for or against but I think youre dismissed too quickly - perhaps this is because you are open with the entire route of your theories and they challenge the very fabric of reality and leave you open to multiple criticism from multiple angles.

    Good on you immersedone - you'll always have a place at my fire.

    Just promise me please that if you ever manage to get to these higher planes that you will come back and find me and show me (no matter how dumb and blind I am) that you did it... if you do, I promise I'll never shut up about it (even if they lock me up for being a nutter!)
  • possibilitiespossibilities PNW, WA State Veteran
    The idea is that UFO's, as well as other phenomona, are actually of a higher vibrational frequency. Raising of your own consciousness is akin to a raising of your own vibrations, and if you were to raise your vibrations it is logical to think that things that are of a higher vibrational frequency are more likely to be found in your reality. After all, your reality is constructed based on the interaction of your own personal energies. Thus, higher personal vibrational frequency=higher vibrational reality, and thus more potential for higher vibrational objects and occurrences.
    I have just begun looking at quantum theory and find it fascinating. I assume your theory is connected.
    What bothers me is that your dad saw it too! On the one hand it proves that what you saw wasn't just your imagination, OTOH, can you really assume that your dad had the same higher frequency/consciousness that you suggest caused you both to see this?
  • edited February 2012

    I have just begun looking at quantum theory and find it fascinating. I assume your theory is connected.
    What bothers me is that your dad saw it too! On the one hand it proves that what you saw wasn't just your imagination, OTOH, can you really assume that your dad had the same higher frequency/consciousness that you suggest caused you both to see this?
    Despite that this is my first UFO sighting(well, since the one I saw when I was a child), I have nonetheless had MANY strange occurrences in my own times of high-consciousness, and so I do have insight into your question. When I, personally, am in a state of high-consciousness, reality is....strange with me. Idk what word you want to use to describe it, but strange is good enough for the time being. Now, this is the case whether I am alone, or no matter who I am with. Thus, the altering of my reality based on my own level of consciousness occurs independently, and without regards to who else is in my reality in any given moment, and their level of consciousness.

    Perhaps this isn't the right place to go into too much detail about these experiences, since my sanity has already been questioned in this thread(hah), but let me say two general things. My "ability" to, let's say alter, my reality, is not limited to inanimate objects. It extends to humans as well, whether it be random people who just pop up in my reality for some reason, or whether it be people I know acting...let's say, not themselves. There are different interpretations to all of this, and for me the work is to better understand how it all functions. Each of us inhabits our own realities. It seems that as you raise your consciousness, reality is a more and more direct reflection of your self. As I say, this affects other people as well. And this is not just a sometimes thing, and it has nothing to do with their will. They absolutely cannot help it. If I am in a high-consciousness state, my consciousness' presence WILL be felt. As far as interpretation, it seems as though the other people can sense our shared reality being shaped in my presence, and they like to ignore it. No matter HOW STRANGE what is happening is, a common reaction is to just ignore it. They cannot deny what is happening, but they do not like to acknowledge it. It is as if they are uncomfortable with another's consciousness over-powering theirs in their own reality, and will bury their head in the sand to continue their belief in their own reality-tunnel.

    Although this is certainly not all the details, it is more details than I generally share outside of people who I know well, and know that they can understand me, or relate to me. I'm certainly not claiming to be the only one who has had these types of experiences, and it seems likely to me that most others who have these experiences don't talk about it much, for fear of sounding strange, or "delusional."
  • OK, I'll play along in the spirit of anything is possible... so you think you may be able to summon UFOs by thinking about them? If you can get predictably efficient in your capabilities, you should schedule a press event and really shock the world. I would love to see that.
  • OK, I'll play along in the spirit of anything is possible... so you think you may be able to summon UFOs by thinking about them? If you can get predictably efficient in your capabilities, you should schedule a press event and really shock the world. I would love to see that.
    Lol you're clearly not understanding what I'm saying here. But that's ok :thumbsup:
  • Cool... I'll read it again, and butt out... sorry.
  • A UFO by definition is an Unidentified Flying Object - Which you saw, there's no doubt about it. Unless someone here can explain what you saw, which I doubt.

    I too have seen a UFO, but not under the same circumstances. I was once sat in my back garden, and my eyes were drawn to a plane -- or what I thought was a plane, at the time -- moving exceptionally fast, to my right. After turning my attention, and eyes, to the plane, something exceptionally extraordinary happened -- The light my eyes were tracking stopped, and 'backtracked'(reversed, went back in the path it was going) in the blink of an eye. In effect it came to a halt and simply reversed, or made a stupid-fast 180 turn.

    People are welcome to believe or disbelieve this, and indeed I make no claims to what it was... But what I will tell you is that it scared me, to the extent that I got up off the floor and Usain Bolted into my house.

    My belief is that I saw some sort of military craft, an experiment, a top-secret flying vehicle - something of that nature.

    Unless you can summon another UFO I think your case was that of coincidence, having read up on UFO's and heard from many who claim to have the ability, and also claim to have tried and failed.

    Chris
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    You guys are too funny!:)
  • @telly03 - you have to suspend your reality for this one - its just a thought experiment though so you can come back at any time!

    Imagine an ant in an anthill - it is a form of life that you recognise - if on this tiny planet there is an ant then statistics and the size of even the known universe leans towards there being lots of orders of life (from ant to human to ?) - all in different states of evolutionary progress.

    This progress is both physical and consciousness driven - it is long established that animals, at least, have a consciousness (we are only scratching the surface and in recent years the peer reviewed papers published are incredible) - it would seem that even mainstream science cannot ignore that what was once considered a singularly unique human consciousness, the pinnacle of the evolutionary ladder, the height of all achievement and God of the universe, might just be one little speck in an infinite, 12 dimension space folded endless probability driven nothing!!

    That pretty much summarises where we are at in our current accepted theories - If you start with the unsolved mysteries (which you can imagine outweigh the solved ones) then the theories explode - some are correct, some are wildly off - either way some are correct - the problem is all of them are very very strange - this means that in the future (after, I'm sorry to say, the current incumbent are dead!) accepted theories will seem almost alien to the present mindset - it is inevitable until we have a theory of everything and we are way way way off that!

    Then there are the paradoxes - the things that can't be true but have to be to maintain the very fabric of our reality (as predicted by maths) - ponder my name for a while and see where it gets you - consider singularity or infinity... this shows you that whatever consciousness you have, some things are beyond you - definitely intellectually but perhaps also consciousness-ly (?!).

    So now, in this state of mind, imagine another lifeform like you watching the ant - how do you explain to the ant that there is such a thing as a car or a house, or a mortgage, or guilt, tears or poems? Maybe now and again, your chemical signal alerts the ant to your presence - maybe not - you coexist but dont communicate or perceive eachothers' consciousness.

    I read a book once where an anthill formed a consciousness - each ant acted as a process in the brain (imagine if we understood every one and it could be translated to a mechanical function) - so the anthill could communicate on a human level.
    There is therefore in theory a line of reason that says that there may be a way, some way of being the anthill-brain... everyone then has their own theory on how this can be achieved if at all - nothing proved yet but that doesnt mean its all rediculous.

    So now imagine, is it any more possible in your mind that one could communicate with another lifeform in close proximity if that communication is via a genuine 'evolutionary' progression (whether actual or artificial)??

    Reworded, could someone summon an unidentified flying object with thought alone?

    If the answer is yes or even maybe then you and immersed one have more in common than you know...
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    I've always wanted to see a UFO. So far no luck.

    I might have seen a spirit once, idk. It may have just been sleep paralysis, thats the scientific explanation anyway. Though I didn't have any paralysis and I remember seeing a nebulous darkness darker than the background darkness of night sink below the foot of my bed. Also my dream stayed the same but everything turned dark right before.
  • Funny thing is that if you dig deep enough - everyone has a strange story of something weird at least once in their life - some have more than others - neither sanity nor insanity is understood - the zone of 'acceptable consciousness' is one where your net contribution to society is generally over your lifetime 'positive' - go figure whether that means youre alone in your bedroom at night...!! F***** dark blobs :D
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    Funny thing is that if you dig deep enough - everyone has a strange story of something weird at least once in their life - ....
    Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Niente. Rien.
    In fact, rien de rien...
    I have nothing to report, admit or confess to.... the only truly weird thing in my life, is me.
    And I don't have to explain or justify that to anyone - it's plain to see.

    which is why the Op is getting dangerously close (in my book, and my opinion) to seriously delusional, and somewhat vivid imaginary nonsense.
    I wIsh I could take it seriously, but I'm taking it as seriously as I take the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Father Christmas, the Easter bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

    @ImmersedOne, while I personally am very happy to accommodate the threads you post with regard to your interests, passion and wishing to publish your books, this kind of talk enters fantasy land, and unless you have something to back this up with, it's utter fictional, fanciful nonsense.
    Some have expressed concern at how off-the-wall this sounds, and I personally question just how far this is going to travel before it gets so ludicrous, that it becomes a matter of calling a halt to such wild and frankly outrageous claims.
    This is a Buddhist forum, and while we practice daily to increase compassion and acceptance - it may not be the right forum for you to post such material on a constant and frequent basis. Maybe there are Science-fantasy-new-age forums where this would sit - and fit - better.
    But this Forum is about Buddhism, recognising the origin of suffering, the transcendence of suffering, and understanding Mind.
    I really do not see how any of this fits, or actually has any relevance.

    Sorry.


  • I can make a bowl of fried rice disappear at will.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    Prove it..... ;)
  • Should have been here last night...
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    See?
    All talk and chopsticks!
  • @federica...idk...op is imaginative and we sometimes post things that are non Buddhist related...@leonbasin for example, some rant...and others kinda treat the forum like a diary or "dear Abby" forum. Maybe I'm new and naive...but yes, op has gone into the twisted kingdom with his ideas but who is to say he is incorrect? They are imaginative...but this is who he is. Maybe he can participate in other threads and post links, that would be helpful, op.

    I feel ashamed for being one who said, "he was smoking good shit.."

    I think he is creative and I enjoy his posts now. I think he will need to balance his thread posting but I don't want anyone to go. Also, he takes critism well...we have hashed out some abuse in the past.

    So please stay op...but be mindful...you could also pm. Lots of people here like UFO sightings and science fiction.

    With love.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    It's probably best to reserve comments on Mod decisions for PMs, @Lady_Alison....


    Thanks. :)
  • Ok.
  • @federica - your general outlook may mean that you are not open to such experiences – if you read the works of Buddhism literally, it also sounds like science fiction – there is no proof of Buddhist issues either – the issues that @immersedone raises are not worded in line with Buddhist principles but for example, the suggestions he make are akin to say pure land Buddhism – even the notion of liberation can be reworded in the manner that @immersedone suggests.
  • edited February 2012
    Let me say first of all, that Buddhism was a huge part of my growth and development. I have studied and contemplated Buddhist issues to a very great deal, and would consider myself very knowledgeable on Buddhism, particular of a Zen flavor. I considered myself Buddhist for a time, but there came a time when I felt that I had understood the Buddha's teachings to the point where it would not make sense to call myself a Buddhist, as this was inherently dualistic and thus not in line with the Buddha's true teachings.

    This whole "space" thing is fairly new to me, at least in terms of writing it out the way I have been. I've been enjoying the new outlet to share my latest ideas with some new people. First, let me say you could rightly call this sort of stuff "Science Fiction," as in it is based on Scientific Fact, and is "fiction" in the sense that anything that is not emperically duplicable is "fiction." I have participated a bit outside of my own threads, although I admit to have been having a primary interest in my own threads thus far. I think it would probably be a good idea, though, now that I have established myself as the "Science Fiction Guy" to mix in more Buddhist ideas in my postings as well, whether they be through posting in existing threads or threads of my own.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    Not sure I can completely understand or equate with this bit -
    .....I considered myself Buddhist for a time, but there came a time when I felt that I had understood the Buddha's teachings to the point where it would not make sense to call myself a Buddhist, as this was inherently dualistic and thus not in line with the Buddha's true teachings.....
    - But thank you for your response.

    'Nuff said. :)

  • edited February 2012
    Not sure I can completely understand or equate with this bit -
    .....I considered myself Buddhist for a time, but there came a time when I felt that I had understood the Buddha's teachings to the point where it would not make sense to call myself a Buddhist, as this was inherently dualistic and thus not in line with the Buddha's true teachings.....
    - But thank you for your response.

    'Nuff said. :)

    See: Alan Watts, and perhaps adyashanti.
  • edited February 2012
    Not sure I can completely understand or equate with this bit -
    .....I considered myself Buddhist for a time, but there came a time when I felt that I had understood the Buddha's teachings to the point where it would not make sense to call myself a Buddhist, as this was inherently dualistic and thus not in line with the Buddha's true teachings.....
    - But thank you for your response.

    'Nuff said. :)

    I did not see the beginning of your post, the "Not sure I can completely understand or equate with this bit," and I may have, therefore, misunderstood your intentions and meaning.

    "Buddha-Nature" can be seen as the underlying essence within all beings/things, that from one perspective has the potential to flower into Buddha-Hood, and from another perspective is Buddha in his fullness. Buddha(you may include Dharma/Truth and Sangha/Fellow-Seekers in this characterization. To me, it is implied when I say Buddha or Buddha-Nature, which I see as the Unity of the Triple-Gem) is the Awoken ONE, who manifests as, or plays the parts of, all beings/things in reality, for the purpose of Awakening "All Beings," or "Himself" from another perspective. Thus all of the various differentiations are the result of our false-perceptions, which create the apparent duality and prevent us from seeing Reality-As-It-Is. Reality-As-It-Is is the Non-Dual. In True Reality, there can be no ultimate differentiations. So, I have felt strongly connected to the Buddha's teachings, and thus tread the Buddhist Path, seeking to understand his Truth fully. And yet when I got to a certain point of understanding, the Non-Dual became clear. Me labelling myself a "Buddhist" would put me in contrast with "Non-Buddhist," and this would be inconsistent with the Truth. The Truth comes before all labels, and is intertwined with them all. I therefore drop self-labels, so that I can understand and express the Truth as it relates to all areas and forms of human thought.


  • edited February 2012
    Allow me to share a meme I just created, related to this topic :)

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  • I think about this did the buddha know the world will die one day?
  • all things created are impermenant?
  • The universe is like vast expanding space. With worlds all over.

  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    The universe is like vast expanding space. With worlds all over.

    World does not die. We "die." Or more like move on, the wheel will continue with us or without us.
  • The universe is like vast expanding space. With worlds all over.

    World does not die. We "die." Or more like move on, the wheel will continue with us or without us.
    Actually, even though our sun is young...one day, even sol will die...and so will our planet.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    The universe is like vast expanding space. With worlds all over.

    World does not die. We "die." Or more like move on, the wheel will continue with us or without us.
    Actually, even though our sun is young...one day, even sol will die...and so will our planet.
    Yes, I know what you are saying, but metaphorically speaking.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited February 2012
    @Leonbasin, i would think dying, 'metaphorically', is an impossibility.....
  • @leonbasin did you mean to say 'dying to the world of things and objects to pursue spiritual life? '
  • I would say "world"=nature.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    @leonbasin did you mean to say 'dying to the world of things and objects to pursue spiritual life? '
    Sure, that would make sense. I think what I am trying to say is, dying from the material world, or perhaps evolving ones consciousnesses, therefore, feeling like things are dying outside? Not internally.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    @Leonbasin, i would think dying, 'metaphorically', is an impossibility.....
    I see what you are saying. Can you add to that?
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