Infographic: Which College Majors Lead To Higher Employment, Unemployment?

DaltheJigsaw

http://www.mindflash.com/blog/2011/12/infographic-which-college-majors/?view=mindflashgraphic

Dakini

hm, good post, practical post.
Hey, Leon, did you see a couple of weeks ago, when I posted the link to the Institute for Noetic Sciences, that they have internships? You like paranormal research so much, you might check them out. I think they're in Marin County. http://noetic.org

DaltheJigsaw

hm, good post, practical post.
Hey, Leon, did you see a couple of weeks ago, when I posted the link to the Institute for Noetic Sciences, that they have internships? You like paranormal research so much, you might check them out. I think they're in Marin County. www.noetic.org

Thank you! You know.. I have been thinking, once I graduate in 8 months with a BS in Psychology I should go back to school and get something in Mathematics, Technology, Engineering, as it seems to be leading the way. What do you think? I am not good at math, however, I believe in myself that I can learn!!

Dakini

Math, ackkk! Weren't you worried about the cost of more education? 8 months? You're done by next fall? I'd be looking around for a job or internship now, if I were you. I noticed on your charts there, that psychology had relatively high unemployment, except school psychologist/counselor.

It's a tough call.

Here's an idea. With an MA, any MA, you can get a good job as an academic adviser in a university. There are advisers that only have BA's, that doesn't pay much, but with an MA you get paid better, good benefits, good retirement. Easy job. The CA university system, though, has been struggling financially for years. I wonder if they're hiring MA-level advisers. You can go on Cal's website and look at the job listings.

DaltheJigsaw

Well, I graduate December 5th. Yes, it's expensive for school, however, I was thinking of getting an Associate, which won't be that expensive. Another 2 years and I would get that. I was thinking of getting a Masters in Counseling, or focusing on counseling. I am working on getting an internship or start volunteering, but it's tough out there. The hours are pretty difficult. Also the places for these type of jobs are 1 1/2 hours way one way. A dozen of them are grave yard shifts. But that all does not matter, as I will make it work, my main concern is facing my fears. Mathematics was not something I was interested in, however, I am starting to really re-think it all. I downloaded a dozen of mathematics books and have been going through them and have noticed a rising interest. Anyways, I will continue looking into counseling and hoping to find something part time, as to get a full-time position one needs a Masters or at least 5 or so years of experience.

Dakini

Sorry, my suggestion sounds boring, but I'm thinking: what's safe and steady during uncertain economic times. And there's school counselor, like I said. That requires an MA in educational psychology.

Dakini

For an MA in counseling or educational psychology, you'll have to take one or two statistics courses. That's challenging enough, math-wise. A 2-year degree in something practical sounds like a good idea. Your chart said "medical technologies technician" had very low unemployment. Those jobs pay well. It may sound mind-numbing, but it all depends on what you bring to the job. It's helping people, that's important.

DaltheJigsaw

For an MA in counseling or educational psychology, you'll have to take one or two statistics courses. That's challenging enough, math-wise. A 2-year degree in something practical sounds like a good idea.

I have taken a few statistical courses for my BS in Psychology. I have one more math class left. Yea, MA in Counseling actually. I don't know if I want to be a school counseling psychologist. However, that could change when I am older, I am just not ready. I am more interested in working with either Elderly or perhaps a few people suggested Veterans.

Dakini

oh, that could be good--the Vet hospitals. Federal pension! Gravy train! Could be intense, though. War vets. Post-Traumatic Stress. Could you handle that as a steady diet?

Dakini

Hospice care will be a growing field, given the demographic outlook, so eldercare, hospice care could work.

btw, some of the Vet hospitals are getting into some experimental stuff for PTSD. One near where I live is setting up an alternative healing center, and looking to hire Native healers, and to use other alternative techniques. Very cool. Acupuncture for PTSD, and other things. You might like that. Alternative psychology of various sorts.

DaltheJigsaw

I can handle it, but not yet. I need time to build up to it. Hence, why I need to find something where it's not to "crazy." I am thinking working with the youth. Perhaps, working with children at like safe house, or children in poverty or something like that. I am just trying to figure out a way in how to get there. I need to make connections perhaps? I was thinking of getting into statistical psychology? Is there something like that? Or analyzing psychology? Perhaps, a certification in mathematics or a degree will help? Thoughts?

DaltheJigsaw

Or perhaps get something in Health? That seems to be a good place to also focus on? Perhaps, combining my BS in Psychology and...something in health? Any suggestions?

DaltheJigsaw

http://www.deanza.edu/counseling/degreecert.html This is a community College I went to get my AA in Business Admin and then transferred to University of Phoenix for my BS in Psychology degree. What about Child Development? Or Education or Sociology? I think either Education or Sociology would help with my degree. That is if I cannot afford my Masters.

Dakini

Yes, connections are important these days. hm...psychology and nursing would be a good combination. Ask Mountains about a 2-year nursing degree. Child development--also good. Well, there's a glut of nurses right now, but that could change when, hopefully, the economy improves. I can't speak to Biz Admin, you'd have to research it and see what the job prospects are. I think I heard there are a lot of unemployed MBAs right now, and you'd be competing with them. Not good. "Early Childhood Mental Health", it says. What do you think of that?

DaltheJigsaw

I wasn't thinking of Business Admin. I received an AA in that. You are right about Child Development. Any thoughts on Sociology or Education? If I want to work with the youth education or child developmental would be beneficial. What can one really do with Sociology though? And yes, individuals with an MBA are highly unemployed from my research.

Arjquad

Ha going into college next year why did I look at this? But from what I saw I guess I'm safe. I am very surprised international business is so high, I guess it's since alot of people are choosing it...or I completely read the graph wrong.

DaltheJigsaw

Ha going into college next year why did I look at this? But from what I saw I guess I'm safe. I am very surprised international business is so high, I guess it's since alot of people are choosing it...or I completely read the graph wrong.

What are you considering majoring in?

ThailandTom

Just go and get ordained, get a major in the dharma, see how that works out for your life

DaltheJigsaw

Just go and get ordained, get a major in the dharma, see how that works out for your life

I'm with you!:) Lol!

Dakini

Sociology is a dead end. Even if you could get a job as a social worker for the state, like in Child Protective Services and other bureaucracies, being a caseworker, it might not be for you.
@Arjquad I noticed that about internat'l business, too. And I did have trouble interpreting the graphs. But a niece of mine got a degree in international biz, and gave up on finding a job, and went to Germany to get any old job, and wait out the recession. International business is probably a tough field to get a start in.

Dakini

@Leon We can make suggestions, and you can come up with ideas, but it's not going to do any good unless you really spend some time reflecting, to try to get some insight as to what you're good at, what you really enjoy. For example: do you like being around kids? Do you have any experience with that, such as being a summer camp counselor, or even baby-sitting? Child Mental Health, or Child Development may be great careers, but if you don't have a knack for relating to kids, a degree in that won't do you any good.

Did you take the personality test Lady_Alison posted recently? Start there. At the end of the test, it gives job suggestions that fit your profile.

DaltheJigsaw

Thank you! I love kids and have done tutoring and worked with children before. You are right about doing internal searching. I have been doing that for years. Is there a link to Lady_Alison's post?

Thanks,
Leon

Dakini

http://www.personalitypage.com/html/indicate.html

It sounds like the child development program would be good for you, then. Let us know what your type is on the test. There was a thread where everyone was posting their type. I can't find it now.

DaltheJigsaw

Okay. What is the password?

Dakini

Doesn't it tell you how to get a password? I did a different one, so I can't help you. And it costs $5, you have to pay by credit card.

Dakini

see thread: "What is your personality type?", top of pg. 4 of the "General Banter" listings. There's a free version of the exam.

DaltheJigsaw

Oh, okay! Thank you!

KnightofBuddha

I'm a liberal arts history major, albeit military-bound. I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but most liberal arts majors are a joke. I can speak from experience. I learned very little from a 4 year history degree. In fact, I learned far more picking out books on Amazon and at the local Borders (RIP). Books of interest and things I later found piqued my interest. The university setting is frankly an outmoded, antiquated, and inefficient mode of passing along knowledge. (I'm not applying this to the hard sciences and medicine)

With the democratization of information, you can make yourself just as smart and familiar with the liberal arts with a library card and a few hundreds bucks at a bookstore. Save your money and be an autodidact. If Abe Lincoln could compose the Gettysburg Address, perhaps the finest speech ever crafted, with nothing more than a few months of grammar school, then damn it, you don't need 4 years of monotony.

Lady_Alison

Leon...go see your advisor and ask for the Myers Briggs exam...its more accurate and college counselor will offer it for free.

Lady_Alison

Occupation outlook handbook is a government website it gives you a good idea of wheter your field will be there in 10 years.

http://www.bls.gov/oco/

Mountains

Your chart said "medical technologies technician" had very low unemployment. Those jobs pay well.

You'd have to define "well". I'd be surprised if they made over about $12-15/hour in most parts of the country. They certainly don't where I live.

Dakini

:eek: Either I was wrong, or pay has shrunk around the country--which I wouldn't be surprised to hear. That's awful. I was told that on the coasts, unionized cashier jobs pay $25, so I expected a skilled job like med tech operator would pay at least that! Well, I think they used to pay well. *sighhhh*

DaltheJigsaw

:eek: Either I was wrong, or pay has shrunk around the country--which I wouldn't be surprised to hear. That's awful. I was told that on the coasts, unionized cashier jobs pay $25, so I expected a skilled job like med tech operator would pay at least that! Well, I think they used to pay well. *sighhhh*

Not $25 here in California. However, Costco and Whole Foods pay around $17 though. But that is after at least 5 years of experience on the job.

DaltheJigsaw

I'm a liberal arts history major, albeit military-bound. I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but most liberal arts majors are a joke. I can speak from experience. I learned very little from a 4 year history degree. In fact, I learned far more picking out books on Amazon and at the local Borders (RIP). Books of interest and things I later found piqued my interest. The university setting is frankly an outmoded, antiquated, and inefficient mode of passing along knowledge. (I'm not applying this to the hard sciences and medicine)

With the democratization of information, you can make yourself just as smart and familiar with the liberal arts with a library card and a few hundreds bucks at a bookstore. Save your money and be an autodidact. If Abe Lincoln could compose the Gettysburg Address, perhaps the finest speech ever crafted, with nothing more than a few months of grammar school, then damn it, you don't need 4 years of monotony.

That was freaking lovely!

DaltheJigsaw

I'm a liberal arts history major, albeit military-bound. I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but most liberal arts majors are a joke. I can speak from experience. I learned very little from a 4 year history degree. In fact, I learned far more picking out books on Amazon and at the local Borders (RIP). Books of interest and things I later found piqued my interest. The university setting is frankly an outmoded, antiquated, and inefficient mode of passing along knowledge. (I'm not applying this to the hard sciences and medicine)

With the democratization of information, you can make yourself just as smart and familiar with the liberal arts with a library card and a few hundreds bucks at a bookstore. Save your money and be an autodidact. If Abe Lincoln could compose the Gettysburg Address, perhaps the finest speech ever crafted, with nothing more than a few months of grammar school, then damn it, you don't need 4 years of monotony.

However, I will add that it will be difficult to find a "job" without a "paper
from a university/college." Thoughts? (Depends on what job though or more like what career).

Dakini

Not $25 here in California. However, Costco and Whole Foods pay around $17 though. But that is after at least 5 years of experience on the job.

idk about Costco, but Whole Foods isn't unionized. Albertson's and Safeway in Seattle pay $25/hr. I was told, but maybe that's after being with the company a few years.

Dakini

Leon, you're on the right track. Just keep plugging away. And it's not a bad idea at all to go for an additional 2-year degree in Child Development.

You said that 2-year program is at Deanza College? Make an appointment with the adviser in the Child Development program, and ask what the job prospects are. Discuss the pros and cons of getting another AA degree (cheap, but it would still leave you at B.A. level), and going for an MA (debt, but higher qualification). Researching what you want to do is so important in a difficult economy.

DaltheJigsaw

Leon, you're on the right track. Just keep plugging away. And it's not a bad idea at all to go for an additional 2-year degree in Child Development.

You said that 2-year program is at Deanza College? Make an appointment with the adviser in the Child Development program, and ask what the job prospects are. Discuss the pros and cons of getting another AA degree (cheap, but it would still leave you at B.A. level), and going for an MA (debt, but higher qualification). Researching what you want to do is so important in a difficult economy.

Thank you! I needed that!
I am considering a Counseling Psychology degree from:

http://www.jfku.edu/Programs-and-Courses/College-of-Graduate-Professional-Studies/Counseling-Psychology/Programs/MA-Counseling-Psychology-Holistic.html/http://www.jfku.edu/Programs-and-Courses/College-of-Graduate-Professional-Studies/Counseling-Psychology.html

John F Kennedy University:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_University

You right I think it would probably be better to just got my my Masters then go back down. I can gain experience in Child Development by volunteering or by working part-time.

ThailandTom

Leon Leon leon, oh what to do with you man!? Whatever may come of your searching and studies, I hope it is a pleasant change all the same. I remember talking to you though on FB and you loved your job. But I guess there are times for change etc etc. Good luck, there is some top class advice and guidence above, so :thumbsup:

Sabre

Invincible_summer

Sociology is a dead end. Even if you could get a job as a social worker for the state, like in Child Protective Services and other bureaucracies, being a caseworker, it might not be for you.

As a recent sociology graduate, I support this statement. For the most part.

Sociology is pretty much only for people who plan to be either: 1) an academic or 2) working for a census bureau.

It's really fascinating stuff, but like KnightofBuddha said, lots of it is just shit you can read on your own.


Also, at least in Canada, you cannot become a social worker just by having a sociology degree (even an M.A.). You are required to have at least a diploma in social service work, but most employers prefer people with a B.S.W. (Bachelor's of Social Work), and often an M.S.W. is mandatory for health care settings.

I'm a liberal arts history major, albeit military-bound. I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but most liberal arts majors are a joke. I can speak from experience. I learned very little from a 4 year history degree. In fact, I learned far more picking out books on Amazon and at the local Borders (RIP). Books of interest and things I later found piqued my interest. The university setting is frankly an outmoded, antiquated, and inefficient mode of passing along knowledge. (I'm not applying this to the hard sciences and medicine)

With the democratization of information, you can make yourself just as smart and familiar with the liberal arts with a library card and a few hundreds bucks at a bookstore. Save your money and be an autodidact. If Abe Lincoln could compose the Gettysburg Address, perhaps the finest speech ever crafted, with nothing more than a few months of grammar school, then damn it, you don't need 4 years of monotony.

I think the only thing that we liberal arts grads can say we do better than other faculties is writing, conceptual understanding, and being able to summarize information. But then again, all liberal arts grads have these skills, so it doesn't matter whether you graduated with a B.A. in Sociology or a B.A. in English lit - if you don't specialize or get a diploma or other skills, you're competing against everyone else that graduated with you with the same skill set.

And although i do agree that liberal arts degrees are not valued as highly as sciences, I'd say that encouraging everyone to be an autodidact isn't really realistic. I know I learn a lot better if I am in a classroom setting, with guidance and assignments to test my understanding. Granted, lots of shit you learn in History or Social Theory classes aren't really important (in the grand scheme of employment) things to pay thousands for anyway.

DaltheJigsaw

Leon Leon leon, oh what to do with you man!? Whatever may come of your searching and studies, I hope it is a pleasant change all the same. I remember talking to you though on FB and you loved your job. But I guess there are times for change etc etc. Good luck, there is some top class advice and guidence above, so :thumbsup:

Thanks! I love my job, but yea, it's time for change soon. As I am graduating, therefore, it doesn't make sense to stay at my current job. Plus, my hours have been cut.

DaltheJigsaw

This man is awesome! Thank you!

DaltheJigsaw

Sociology is a dead end. Even if you could get a job as a social worker for the state, like in Child Protective Services and other bureaucracies, being a caseworker, it might not be for you.

As a recent sociology graduate, I support this statement. For the most part.

Sociology is pretty much only for people who plan to be either: 1) an academic or 2) working for a census bureau.

It's really fascinating stuff, but like KnightofBuddha said, lots of it is just shit you can read on your own.


Also, at least in Canada, you cannot become a social worker just by having a sociology degree (even an M.A.). You are required to have at least a diploma in social service work, but most employers prefer people with a B.S.W. (Bachelor's of Social Work), and often an M.S.W. is mandatory for health care settings.

I'm a liberal arts history major, albeit military-bound. I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but most liberal arts majors are a joke. I can speak from experience. I learned very little from a 4 year history degree. In fact, I learned far more picking out books on Amazon and at the local Borders (RIP). Books of interest and things I later found piqued my interest. The university setting is frankly an outmoded, antiquated, and inefficient mode of passing along knowledge. (I'm not applying this to the hard sciences and medicine)

With the democratization of information, you can make yourself just as smart and familiar with the liberal arts with a library card and a few hundreds bucks at a bookstore. Save your money and be an autodidact. If Abe Lincoln could compose the Gettysburg Address, perhaps the finest speech ever crafted, with nothing more than a few months of grammar school, then damn it, you don't need 4 years of monotony.

I think the only thing that we liberal arts grads can say we do better than other faculties is writing, conceptual understanding, and being able to summarize information. But then again, all liberal arts grads have these skills, so it doesn't matter whether you graduated with a B.A. in Sociology or a B.A. in English lit - if you don't specialize or get a diploma or other skills, you're competing against everyone else that graduated with you with the same skill set.

And although i do agree that liberal arts degrees are not valued as highly as sciences, I'd say that encouraging everyone to be an autodidact isn't really realistic. I know I learn a lot better if I am in a classroom setting, with guidance and assignments to test my understanding. Granted, lots of shit you learn in History or Social Theory classes aren't really important (in the grand scheme of employment) things to pay thousands for anyway.

Thank you!:)

ThailandTom

Leon Leon leon, oh what to do with you man!? Whatever may come of your searching and studies, I hope it is a pleasant change all the same. I remember talking to you though on FB and you loved your job. But I guess there are times for change etc etc. Good luck, there is some top class advice and guidence above, so :thumbsup:

Thanks! I love my job, but yea, it's time for change soon. As I am graduating, therefore, it doesn't make sense to stay at my current job. Plus, my hours have been cut.

My mother has been a teacher for the vast majority of her working life, she has a degree in English language and she has taught at her current school for I think 15+ years now, the secondary (high school_ I went to. Because of the situstion economy wise, she has had around 550 pounds taken away from her montly salery, she is lucky to still have her job as many have been cut. IMO, the west is F***D

DaltheJigsaw

My mother has been a teacher for the vast majority of her working life, she has a degree in English language and she has taught at her current school for I think 15+ years now, the secondary (high school_ I went to. Because of the situstion economy wise, she has had around 550 pounds taken away from her montly salery, she is lucky to still have her job as many have been cut. IMO, the west is F***D



Yea man! It's crazy. Even though I am full-time, my boss said that they cannot guarantee full-time hours. Lol. I'm sorry about your moms, but you right...at least she has a job.

Dakini

I've always been curious about JFK University. Would they give you financial aid? Also an important consideration. I think Child Development could be a specialty within Counseling Psychology, I think you could do both. Does JFK have courses in Child Psychology? (I haven't looked at your link, yet.) There's also Transpersonal Psychology, which might be up your alley, since you have an interest in paranormal phenomena. That, also, could be a specialty within Counseling. There are exciting possibilities, now that you've narrowed it down to Counseling/Psychotherapy.

KnightofBuddha

I'm a liberal arts history major, albeit military-bound. I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but most liberal arts majors are a joke. I can speak from experience. I learned very little from a 4 year history degree. In fact, I learned far more picking out books on Amazon and at the local Borders (RIP). Books of interest and things I later found piqued my interest. The university setting is frankly an outmoded, antiquated, and inefficient mode of passing along knowledge. (I'm not applying this to the hard sciences and medicine)

With the democratization of information, you can make yourself just as smart and familiar with the liberal arts with a library card and a few hundreds bucks at a bookstore. Save your money and be an autodidact. If Abe Lincoln could compose the Gettysburg Address, perhaps the finest speech ever crafted, with nothing more than a few months of grammar school, then damn it, you don't need 4 years of monotony.

However, I will add that it will be difficult to find a "job" without a "paper
from a university/college." Thoughts? (Depends on what job though or more like what career).

You're right. A lot of employers are just as hoodwinked into believing that the paper means anything. "Nope, can't hire you to do menial labor, you don't have a degree in 13th Century Gender Relations!"

Sabre

This man is awesome! Thank you!

You're welcome. Glad to be of help

Keep it in mind; do what you love doing. It's your life. Money is not important.
Or as my professor said once to me; if you do what you like, you're rich.

With metta,
Sabre

DaltheJigsaw

I'm a liberal arts history major, albeit military-bound. I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but most liberal arts majors are a joke. I can speak from experience. I learned very little from a 4 year history degree. In fact, I learned far more picking out books on Amazon and at the local Borders (RIP). Books of interest and things I later found piqued my interest. The university setting is frankly an outmoded, antiquated, and inefficient mode of passing along knowledge. (I'm not applying this to the hard sciences and medicine)

With the democratization of information, you can make yourself just as smart and familiar with the liberal arts with a library card and a few hundreds bucks at a bookstore. Save your money and be an autodidact. If Abe Lincoln could compose the Gettysburg Address, perhaps the finest speech ever crafted, with nothing more than a few months of grammar school, then damn it, you don't need 4 years of monotony.

However, I will add that it will be difficult to find a "job" without a "paper
from a university/college." Thoughts? (Depends on what job though or more like what career).

You're right. A lot of employers are just as hoodwinked into believing that the paper means anything. "Nope, can't hire you to do menial labor, you don't have a degree in 13th Century Gender Relations!"

How true is that! Lol. Nowadays, or at least in California you need a BS/BA in order to do menial work. It's pretty amazing.

DaltheJigsaw

I've always been curious about JFK University. Would they give you financial aid? Also an important consideration. I think Child Development could be a specialty within Counseling Psychology, I think you could do both. Does JFK have courses in Child Psychology? (I haven't looked at your link, yet.) There's also Transpersonal Psychology, which might be up your alley, since you have an interest in paranormal phenomena. That, also, could be a specialty within Counseling. There are exciting possibilities, now that you've narrowed it down to Counseling/Psychotherapy.

No, JFK does not offer a Child's Development degree. However, they do offer a Counseling Psychology degree. I believe it's with a minor of Holistic. I was looking into Transpersonal Psychology, however, my concern still stands, what the heck can I do afterwards. Lol. Also... for 2 years it adds up to $50,000...!!!!!!! Lordy...lord. lol. I definitely believe in combining some how. I was even considering getting a Masters in Management or Administrator. Lol. However, I do not like or enjoy those things. I suppose I can just pound the pavement as others say, until I find something that connects? And in the meantime work at any job I can and practice my meditation on the job.