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Police Given Direct Line To Cell Phone Searches.

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  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    Good job I don't live there and or have a cell phone lol. I love my life in the sense that I have such a low tech one, plus the police in every country do not have my prints or DNA on file, so I am Mr invisible really. It is so obvious that with all of the new technology comes black markets and criminality, but also the governments ue it to their advantage, a lot of the time unknown to the public.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Good job I don't live there and or have a cell phone lol. I love my life in the sense that I have such a low tech one, plus the police in every country do not have my prints or DNA on file, so I am Mr invisible really. It is so obvious that with all of the new technology comes black markets and criminality, but also the governments ue it to their advantage, a lot of the time unknown to the public.
    Yea. Crazy.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    This seems to go against unlawful search and seizure. There is some precedent for timeliness in wiretaps and them not needing a warrent beforehand. In those cases though there is a subsequent review within a couple days or so that takes place. So I can see some precedent for this type of search but there would need to be an impartial review process after. Also what if an officer found other illegal evidence on the phone not related to the reason for the search? Could that then be used in prosecution of whatever was found, I'd hope not.

    I still use a 'dumb' phone because all I need to do is make phone calls with it.
  • lamaramadingdonglamaramadingdong Veteran
    Wiretapping is illegal without court orders. Wireless tapping is wide open.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jameel-jaffer/a-brewing-battle-over-war_b_1279361.html
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited March 2012
    @person where were you with this wiki page back when Mountains and Telly (an NSA employee) were arguing over whether or not the NSA did domestic surveillance? This would've come in handy.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    @person where were you with this wiki page back when Mountains and Telly (an NSA employee) were arguing over whether or not the NSA did domestic surveillance? This would've come in handy.
    Must have been on holiday in one of the deva realms. ;)
  • Telly03Telly03 Veteran
    @Dakini This is a State case, which I hope brings about a lawsuit and overturned because it is unconstitutional.

    @person This does not pertain to any wiretapping laws, it is more of a physical search, like going through your wallet... I can see where the police probably think that since they can pat you down and check your pockets, then this falls in line with such authority, but hopefully it gets a federal slap down.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    @person This does not pertain to any wiretapping laws, it is more of a physical search, like going through your wallet... I can see where the police probably think that since they can pat you down and check your pockets, then this falls in line with such authority, but hopefully it gets a federal slap down.
    I guess I thought that wiretapping also falls under the 4th amendment for unlawful searches and siezures. I suppose you would likely know better though.

    Don't make the IRS audit me please. ;)
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    Is this just for Dallas or is this a ruling for all of the United States?
  • Telly03Telly03 Veteran
    Is this just for Dallas or is this a ruling for all of the United States?
    I read it as a Texas court, for Texans
  • MsJeniMsJeni
    edited March 2012
    With all the changes our government has made to many laws in the past decade, basically we might as well shred the Constitution, it has be come a bunch of meaningless words on a piece of parchment. Corporations are considered people here, thus are protected by the same rights.

    I have no idea why we still refer to ourselves at the "land of the free". The more I learn about the things they have snuck in for the sake of security, the more it disturbs me. To find out I am a potential terrorist only because I have served in the military is such an insult. I sense the US is going to become a truly horrific place to live on the next couple decades, but I hope we all will eventually see the light and come together as people and make it worth surviving.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    This seems to go against unlawful search and seizure. There is some precedent for timeliness in wiretaps and them not needing a warrent beforehand. In those cases though there is a subsequent review within a couple days or so that takes place. So I can see some precedent for this type of search but there would need to be an impartial review process after. Also what if an officer found other illegal evidence on the phone not related to the reason for the search? Could that then be used in prosecution of whatever was found, I'd hope not.

    I still use a 'dumb' phone because all I need to do is make phone calls with it.
    I use to still use one of those old bricks as well, but now I don't have one at all. Although still use my aprtners to play snake and space balls :lol:
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    With all the changes our government has made to many laws in the past decade, basically we might as well shred the Constitution, it has be come a bunch of meaningless words on a piece of parchment. Corporations are considered people here, thus are protected by the same rights.

    I have no idea why we still refer to ourselves at the "land of the free". The more I learn about the things they have snuck in for the sake of security, the more it disturbs me. To find out I am a potential terrorist only because I have served in the military is such an insult. I sense the US is going to become a truly horrific place to live on the next couple decades, but I hope we all will eventually see the light and come together as people and make it worth surviving.
    I have thought about this before as well, the American dream and the whole freedome thing. How can you be free when you get things such as advertising shoved down your throats day in day out, subjected to things beyond your power by the higher power etc. It would seem you would be more free in a lot of other countries.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    With all the changes our government has made to many laws in the past decade, basically we might as well shred the Constitution, it has be come a bunch of meaningless words on a piece of parchment. Corporations are considered people here, thus are protected by the same rights.

    I have no idea why we still refer to ourselves at the "land of the free". The more I learn about the things they have snuck in for the sake of security, the more it disturbs me. To find out I am a potential terrorist only because I have served in the military is such an insult. I sense the US is going to become a truly horrific place to live on the next couple decades, but I hope we all will eventually see the light and come together as people and make it worth surviving.
    I have thought about this before as well, the American dream and the whole freedome thing. How can you be free when you get things such as advertising shoved down your throats day in day out, subjected to things beyond your power by the higher power etc. It would seem you would be more free in a lot of other countries.
    Why is it still called the land of the free?

    Good example for you Tom is what will happen to you in Thailand if you stand on a street corner and yell that you think the king is an asshole? As opposed to here where we say almost any thing we want about the President...as long as it is not threatening.

  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    Thailand is one example where you can use one example of speech to suggest that you would be less free. The freedome stripped away from America has been done in a sneaky and silent way , gradually and therefore most people barely realize.
  • MsJeniMsJeni


    Good example for you Tom is what will happen to you in Thailand if you stand on a street corner and yell that you think the king is an asshole? As opposed to here where we say almost any thing we want about the President...as long as it is not threatening.

    Ah but look what's happening to the protestors, we have at the moment. They are being bashed, arrested, pepper sprayed, labeled terrorist and where I think the are right or wrong doesn't matter as much as them being able to voice. You aren't allowed as much of that freedom as we were taught, not truly. As of Dec for .... reason they can hold you indefinitely without due process, that include American citizens. They recently approved for police to use military drones to spy on our people.


    I think maybe I should bow out of this topic at this point as, I do struggle with it deeply. I once did everything I was order to by my superiors and our President without question and did so willfully, and now ugh now, I am so conflicted and passionate over the injustices and shredding of everything I thought I was fighting for, I am beyond words, and kind of paralyzed with knowing what to do.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    edited March 2012
    Tom:

    I have thought about this before as well, the American dream and the whole freedome thing. How can you be free when you get things such as advertising shoved down your throats day in day out, subjected to things beyond your power by the higher power etc. It would seem you would be more free in a lot of other countries.




    You so right!
    I am noticing it all the time at my job. As I told you before, I drive to many cities weekly. Therefore, I see all kinds of people/cultures/nationalities and the like. Amazing stuff.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    Not trying to start arguments or bash a country, but there are things people may need to start waking up to you know what I mean. Every country has it's own issues of course, but I really do not want to get into an argument or even a debate about it, so I will be somewhat mute lol.
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