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Modern day gold rush. Workers with no experience are making $100k+ a year

Mr_SerenityMr_Serenity Veteran
edited March 2012 in General Banter
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-boomtown-workers-no-experience-154600953.html


Really intriguing stuff to me. I'm considering trying to make the trip to one of these oil rigs and try to get a drilling job there. But it's such a gamble. I've never done anything like this before where I travel far to somewhere and try to make a life there without my own car and no connections. I'm sort of wondering how to go about it. Wondering if it's even possible for me to make the trip and survive without my own car (the weather out there is harsh). I feel like I want to get in the action of all this money as soon as possible. As everyone I know in my age bracket here in Los Angeles is struggling, either unemployed, or employed working for peanuts,

So I'm highly considering it, but just thought I share here for possible related discussion/feedback on this oil business.

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  • I left everything and everyone behind, worked out for the best. I will say though oil rigging is hard work and on top of that it is pretty damn dangerous. Good luck though ;)
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    That's nothing - you can make even easier money, here....

    http://capreform.eu/investors-buying-up-farm-subsidies/

    this article was written in 2007.

    It's still going on, uncurtailed.
    the thing now is, that foreigners in Russia and in the Eastern bloc of Europe, are also raking it in.....
  • patbbpatbb Veteran
    hmmm.

    at 120 000 a year, you can buy your first car with your first pay check...

    the way i would go about it would be to digg the internet and try to find people who actually work there. either foreman or whatever.

    send them an out of the blue email or call them directly (i would go with the second option).

    ask them (I'm thinking of coming down there, you think i can find a job? do you know who i could talk to who might have a job for me?) type of thing.
    it's a long shot but nothing to lose.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    This is beautiful! :) Thanks for sharing!
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-boomtown-workers-no-experience-154600953.html


    Really intriguing stuff to me. I'm considering trying to make the trip to one of these oil rigs and try to get a drilling job there. But it's such a gamble. I've never done anything like this before where I travel far to somewhere and try to make a life there without my own car and no connections. I'm sort of wondering how to go about it. Wondering if it's even possible for me to make the trip and survive without my own car (the weather out there is harsh). I feel like I want to get in the action of all this money as soon as possible. As everyone I know in my age bracket here in Los Angeles is struggling, either unemployed, or employed working for peanuts,

    So I'm highly considering it, but just thought I share here for possible related discussion/feedback on this oil business.
    What kind of education do you have, experience, industry skills, what are you doing currently? There might be ways to make connections using the internet. Tell us where you stand currently?
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    That's nothing - you can make even easier money, here....

    http://capreform.eu/investors-buying-up-farm-subsidies/

    this article was written in 2007.

    It's still going on, uncurtailed.
    the thing now is, that foreigners in Russia and in the Eastern bloc of Europe, are also raking it in.....
    Thank you!
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    hmmm.

    at 120 000 a year, you can buy your first car with your first pay check...

    the way i would go about it would be to digg the internet and try to find people who actually work there. either foreman or whatever.

    send them an out of the blue email or call them directly (i would go with the second option).

    ask them (I'm thinking of coming down there, you think i can find a job? do you know who i could talk to who might have a job for me?) type of thing.
    it's a long shot but nothing to lose.
    Yes! Find someone in the industry! Become a pen pal!:)
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited March 2012
    I know someone who looked into those North Dakota jobs. There are jobs on gas pipelines, as well. The way you make that amount of money as an unskilled or relatively unskilled laborer is by working 7 days a week, 12+ hours/day. It's exhausting and dangerous. I think you get two days off/month. Also consider that from your paycheck, you'd have to pay for food and housing, and the price of housing, naturally, has skyrocketed, due to the sudden jump in demand. To find affordable housing, the workers get apartments several towns away, and commute in. So you'd need a car, unless you could get a ride with someone. It sounds like a very rough life.

    There's always a catch. Things are never as good or easy as they seem. There are always trade-offs.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    I know someone who looked into those North Dakota jobs. There are jobs on gas pipelines, as well. The way you make that amount of money as an unskilled or relatively unskilled laborer is by working 7 days a week, 12+ hours/day. It's exhausting and dangerous. I think you get two days off/month. Also consider that from your paycheck, you'd have to pay for food and housing, and the price of housing, naturally, has skyrocketed, due to the sudden jump in demand. To find affordable housing, the workers get apartments several towns away, and commute in. So you'd need a car, unless you could get a ride with someone. It sounds like a very rough life.

    There's always a catch. Things are never as good or easy as they seem. There are always trade-offs.
    Thank you!
    I also read some of the comments from people who are doing just that.
    They mentioned a lot do sleep in hotels/motels and their cars.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited March 2012
    Sleeping in the car. *scoff* That's impossible in winter, and in summer it would be stifling. They probably triple and quadruple up in motel rooms, if they can find any. I bet it's tempting to try for one of those jobs, huh, @Leon? 6 months, and you'd have the money for your MA tuition. I think you have to sign a contract for one year, I'm not sure. And imagine all the personalities you'd be dealing with! It must be a crazy scene. But all the guys who went to Alaska to work on the oil pipeline, whenever that was, were very happy with the money they made.
  • Mr_SerenityMr_Serenity Veteran
    edited March 2012
    hmmm.

    at 120 000 a year, you can buy your first car with your first pay check...

    the way i would go about it would be to digg the internet and try to find people who actually work there. either foreman or whatever.

    send them an out of the blue email or call them directly (i would go with the second option).

    ask them (I'm thinking of coming down there, you think i can find a job? do you know who i could talk to who might have a job for me?) type of thing.
    it's a long shot but nothing to lose.
    Thanks patbb,
    I think I'll start digging to see what I can find.

    What kind of education do you have, experience, industry skills, what are you doing currently? There might be ways to make connections using the internet. Tell us where you stand currently?
    Hey Leon,
    Glad you like the article. As for my education, I have a high school diploma that I got online. I've taken college classes in culinary arts, creation of comic books, graphic design. I also have 5 years+ experience in martial arts, have experience in security, and testing simulation games for the military.

    I'm kind of all over the place with no clear direction. But most of my experience is in fighting. So I've been part time employed as a bouncer/doorman. The hours and the pay is not reliable, and not good. It's a safe and easy job though. Never had to get in any fights so far, I'm pretty good with negotiations and working things out through words. I've also been getting focus groups on the side for pocket cash, but really it's not a stable place to be.

    So I don't have much to lose, but everything to gain. I'd like to make some connections over the internet if possible too, it may help give me some leverage before I do anything crazy on my own.


  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    hmmm.

    at 120 000 a year, you can buy your first car with your first pay check...

    the way i would go about it would be to digg the internet and try to find people who actually work there. either foreman or whatever.

    send them an out of the blue email or call them directly (i would go with the second option).

    ask them (I'm thinking of coming down there, you think i can find a job? do you know who i could talk to who might have a job for me?) type of thing.
    it's a long shot but nothing to lose.
    Thanks patbb,
    I think I'll start digging to see what I can find.

    What kind of education do you have, experience, industry skills, what are you doing currently? There might be ways to make connections using the internet. Tell us where you stand currently?
    Hey Leon,
    Glad you like the article. As for my education, I have a high school diploma that I got online. I've taken college classes in culinary arts, creation of comic books, graphic design. I also have 5 years+ experience in martial arts, have experience in security, and testing simulation games for the military.

    I'm kind of all over the place with no clear direction. But most of my experience is in fighting. So I've been part time employed as a bouncer/doorman. The hours and the pay is not reliable, and not good. It's a safe and easy job though. Never had to get in any fights so far, I'm pretty good with negotiations and working things out through words. I've also been getting focus groups on the side for pocket cash, but really it's not a stable place to be.

    So I don't have much to lose, but everything to gain. I'd like to make some connections over the internet if possible too, it may help give me some leverage before I do anything crazy on my own.


    Take that jump then! This sounds like a good opportunity. Do you have your own place? Are you willing to cut down to only one bag of clothes and such. Those are the questions you have to answer. I think that will help?
  • LostSoulLostSoul Veteran
    edited March 2012
    hmmm.

    at 120 000 a year, you can buy your first car with your first pay check...

    the way i would go about it would be to digg the internet and try to find people who actually work there. either foreman or whatever.

    send them an out of the blue email or call them directly (i would go with the second option).

    ask them (I'm thinking of coming down there, you think i can find a job? do you know who i could talk to who might have a job for me?) type of thing.
    it's a long shot but nothing to lose.
    Thanks patbb,
    I think I'll start digging to see what I can find.

    What kind of education do you have, experience, industry skills, what are you doing currently? There might be ways to make connections using the internet. Tell us where you stand currently?
    Hey Leon,
    Glad you like the article. As for my education, I have a high school diploma that I got online. I've taken college classes in culinary arts, creation of comic books, graphic design. I also have 5 years+ experience in martial arts, have experience in security, and testing simulation games for the military.

    I'm kind of all over the place with no clear direction. But most of my experience is in fighting. So I've been part time employed as a bouncer/doorman. The hours and the pay is not reliable, and not good. It's a safe and easy job though. Never had to get in any fights so far, I'm pretty good with negotiations and working things out through words. I've also been getting focus groups on the side for pocket cash, but really it's not a stable place to be.

    So I don't have much to lose, but everything to gain. I'd like to make some connections over the internet if possible too, it may help give me some leverage before I do anything crazy on my own.


    Sorry to but in, but you mentioned graphic design - I'm a web developer, who started as a (horrible) web designer and made pretty decent money from it. Good web designers could easily make > 100k a year (and I'm sure other graphic design fields can as well). Culinary arts - not sure so much on that one, I've heard its tough to get good pay from that but what do I know? I'm sure you can definitely get a job somewhere with that though. Testing simulation games for the military - you can market that for a game tester job (they get paid GOOD, work is kinda dull and repetitive though)... All these jobs sound better to me than oil rigging!

    Just another opinion for you... I started working at 16 from very little knowledge of HTML, and have worked myself up to making >$4000 a month at 20 (and I'm still reaching higher...). You can get a job for just about anything, just work for it! The key is experience - you gotta market yourself to the employer. And whatever you do, try not to deal with HR - they're horrible. I don't have a degree (which is unheard of in the Computer Science industry), the only way I can get a job is through local guys - but they pay just as good as the big companies do, and its funner work imo!


    ANYway, good luck with whatever you choose... I might just be young and naive, but I seriously believe anybody can make good money in this world with a (lot) of hard work. It might take you a few years, but you'll definitely be better off.


    Blessed be :)

    EDIT: BTW, I know somebody with one of those "oil rig" jobs, and it does NOT sound like fun work and does not sound like it pays very good. To make that much money, I think you'd have to be working all damn day for it!
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    One of my friend worked on an oil rig, albeit in northern Alberta. He made quite a bit of money, but it was really freaking hard - and often dangerous - work. He said he's glad he had the experience, but he'd never do it again. There's also a lot of maschisimo, homophobia, racism, and sexism in the work culture, at least with the crew he was with.
  • Sigh, tried discussing this possibility with my girlfriend and she got pretty upset with me. She thought it was delusional and not realistic. She was going on and on about how it was extremely dangerous and that I would get myself killed out there, that I am safer taking up MMA fighting than working at an oil rig. That I'm not used to the long hours and the back breaking physical labor and that I would hate it. That there is nothing but racist red necks working those jobs, that I wouldn't fit in. That I'd be covered with oil all the time, and that I would also be away from her all the time too.

    She really went on and on, till I finally managed to calm her down a bit and she told me to do a lot more research before I decide on doing something that hardcore. I really thought it could be a good opportunity for me. I was surprised how she took it.
  • @LostSoul,
    It's cool to hear that you have had so much success with your web development at such a young age. Thanks for your perspective on that, maybe I'll consider it. I'm a more creative type of person that likes working with my hands, but also creating things. That's why I was attracted to graphic design.

    But the more I learned that industry, the more I was told that graphic design was mostly free lance work. And how it was hard to get stable gigs through graphic design. So I was tired of searching for work as a freelancer. I just wanted to find something stable, and I quit the graphic design stuff. If web development is more stable, and if it pays better, maybe that is something worth considering.

    I also do have a lot of experience with both testing and playing games. So maybe that could be another thing to seek out for me.
  • Mr_SerenityMr_Serenity Veteran
    edited March 2012
    @Dakini,
    Thanks for your thoughts as always Dakini. Yeah I read into the comments, about how everything has sky rocketed at those oil towns. It's a trickle down effect to the near by surroundings, people living in tents, living in their cars even. Because the price of living there keeps going up due to the population and the local economy there that is growing. But then at the same time, the guys that do get in usually end up saying that they're very happy with the money they make. It's a job that is possible to get with no experience too. So it is, or was very tempting to me.

    @invincible_summer
    By incorporating Buddhism into my life a bit I do try to meet people with the mindset of being compassionate as possible. I like to think that I can work with any type of person. Working with someone and associating with them on a personal level is a whole other type of situation. So often when I'm associating with people on a personal level I'll be very real with them, and let them know when something rubs me the wrong way.

    But when I'm working with people, even if I don't like them I try to always act professional and cool, and compassionate even if they seem like jerks all around. I try to make it work. I care about money a lot right now, enough to even consider taking the worst jobs with the worst people. But I don't think I'll be able to get that care out of my system still I start making enough at least to buy my own car and pay for my own apartment.
  • patbbpatbb Veteran
    edited March 2012
    Sigh, tried discussing this possibility with my girlfriend and she got pretty upset with me. She thought it was delusional and not realistic. She was going on and on about how it was extremely dangerous and that I would get myself killed out there, that I am safer taking up MMA fighting than working at an oil rig. That I'm not used to the long hours and the back breaking physical labor and that I would hate it. That there is nothing but racist red necks working those jobs, that I wouldn't fit in. That I'd be covered with oil all the time, and that I would also be away from her all the time too.
    well i would lean toward her opinion, she seem quite reasonable and spot on with her assumptions.

    Those who would naturally do well in those jobs are strong kids from farmers type of thing.

    12 hours a day 7 days a week manual labor is horribly difficult.
    you certainly almost never going to spend any time with your girlfriend
    But if you have any experience with hard manual labor like farming, you probably know what to expect, do you have such experience?

    I remember i was in great shape around 16-17 years old, working out and doing lots of exercise.
    Then i started working on a farm to make some money.
    My first job was to take the rolls of grass (im french, dunno how to say this in English) from a truck and putting them on a conveyer belt so they would go up in the attic of the farm.

    After one hour, i thought i would die. literally. It was so incredibly difficult i immediately gain a great amount of respect for the farmers ;)
    all of this for about $5-$6 an hour haha ;)
    but after a couple days/weeks, if you stick to it, it gets alot more comfortable and you get use to it. I certainly build character strength since you have to battle every single fibers of your mind and body who are begging you and coming with alot of good reasons for you to give it up and go home! ;)
  • @patbb
    I don't have experience with long hard manual labor. But I still am probably physically capable of doing it. I've fought competitively in martial arts before. When I was 20 (five years ago) I used to fight 2 kendo black belts at a time in a dojo with bad floors for tournament practice. We fought till our hands bruised purple, black and blue, and till my feet were covered in blisters or ripped. I had to do surgery/first aid on the ripped skin of my feet countless times. That weekly training raised my tolerance to pain better than anything else in my life.

    Last year I was also training with a professional Muay Thai fighter weekly. We would run 3 miles, and up and down 10 flights of stairs. Then we would lift weights, and after that we would spar (with gloves and pads) usually till someone got near injury or one of us totally lost our wind. It would always be around a 3 hour training session, but for sure it was the hardest physical training I've endured. That weekly training raised my endurance better than anything else.

    So I actually feel a little insulted when my girlfriend says she thinks I would get myself killed or disfigured out there, like I would just fall in the oil or something :lol: . She says that I'd be safer pursuing mma fighting, but she's never been hit full force in the face like I have by an mma fighter. Enough of those hits, and you'll think that the oil rig stuff is probably not too bad lol.
  • @LostSoul,
    It's cool to hear that you have had so much success with your web development at such a young age. Thanks for your perspective on that, maybe I'll consider it. I'm a more creative type of person that likes working with my hands, but also creating things. That's why I was attracted to graphic design.

    But the more I learned that industry, the more I was told that graphic design was mostly free lance work. And how it was hard to get stable gigs through graphic design. So I was tired of searching for work as a freelancer. I just wanted to find something stable, and I quit the graphic design stuff. If web development is more stable, and if it pays better, maybe that is something worth considering.

    I also do have a lot of experience with both testing and playing games. So maybe that could be another thing to seek out for me.
    Well, I don't really consider freelance work any less "stable" than a "real" job. You get a lot of freedom to go with that. But, if your looking for a corporate job, there's plenty of gigs for graphic designers...

    The best way to make money in this world, is to start your own business though.

    Good luck.
  • patbbpatbb Veteran

    The best way to make money in this world, is to start your own business though.
    it's also one of the riskiest way ;)

    I think the numbers in Canada is about 2 third of new business close within 2 years...


    personally, i think the best way to make money is to get a university degree in something that is in high demand. something like engineering maybe...
    Most university degree don't pay quite as much as people would like to believe, and often have very little opportunity in terms of jobs so you need to do your homework before choosing one.

    that is if someone want to make lots of money, as far as making decent money, i think anything like nurse, mechanics, welders are always going to be on demand.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited March 2012
    Businesses hire graphic designers as regular staff. A friend of mine for years worked as a graphic designer for a hospital, for their advertising campaigns, their brochures, logo, everything. She said it was the best money she ever made, and she's a psychologist now. The trick for you, Mr. S., would be to get your foot in the door. Get some job experience, so that you could qualify for those staff jobs with good benefits.

    With all the changes in the economy the last decade, though, I wonder if jobs like that are more rare than they used to be.

    The danger working on oil rigs and pipelines is with the machinery. If you're fatigued from too many hours and lack of sleep, and if it's a free-for-all type of environment with insufficient safeguards, stuff is at high risk of happening. Losing a hand, for example. And try sleeping in a car at -50 degrees, in winter, + wind chill factor.
  • If I were just coming out of high school again, I'd take the first flight out to North Dakota. They have a booming economy. Especially if you have your CDL.
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