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Internet providers to start policing the web July 12!

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  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    On the surface this sounds like a positive development to me. Is there some aspect to this that I'm missing, like some can of ISP abuse that it opens up? Or is it that people just want to be able to continue getting copyrighted material for free without consequence?
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    I think this is good. However, I am sure many would argue otherwise. However, I can see why this is also bad.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    I guess I don't understand what falls under the copyright abuse.

    For example, quite often I try to click on a link in youtube and find that the video has been removed "Due to copyright infringement." However, if I had clicked on it before they caught it, am I still liable for copyright infringement because I was unaware? Are we even talking about streaming videos online or are they referencing only sharing/downloading of copyrighted material between your hard drive and the internet?
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    I guess I don't understand what falls under the copyright abuse.

    For example, quite often I try to click on a link in youtube and find that the video has been removed "Due to copyright infringement." However, if I had clicked on it before they caught it, am I still liable for copyright infringement because I was unaware? Are we even talking about streaming videos online or are they referencing only sharing/downloading of copyrighted material between your hard drive and the internet?
    I think the focus is on sharing/downloading music, ebooks, movies and television shows which do not belong to you, nor are they written, produced or composed by you.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    I better finish downloading all of the movies I can think of on pirate bay before the summer comes then!
  • BekenzeBekenze
    But how do they know what you're downloading? Do they track every. single. thing. that you do on the internet now? If I wanted to download midget farm fetish porn or something like that, would they know? Isn't that privacy infringement?
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    But how do they know what you're downloading? Do they track every. single. thing. that you do on the internet now? If I wanted to download midget farm fetish porn or something like that, would they know? Isn't that privacy infringement?
    I believe that they do track you. I don't think that they have figured out the privacy infringement concerns. As for example, employers now ask for your password when you apply for work. I would think that that is also privacy infringements, but there is no law in place yet.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    But how do they know what you're downloading? Do they track every. single. thing. that you do on the internet now? If I wanted to download midget farm fetish porn or something like that, would they know? Isn't that privacy infringement?
    I believe that they do track you. I don't think that they have figured out the privacy infringement concerns. As for example, employers now ask for your password when you apply for work. I would think that that is also privacy infringements, but there is no law in place yet.
    What kind of rules do 'they' play by on the net? I mean the internet is a world wise dealio, so I guess the only common laws that go with that would be human rights? And they get violated all over the world on a daily basis.
  • ZeroZero Veteran
    'Ideas' are intangible assets that should be steadfastly protected for profit.... just like the tangible assets!! :screwy:
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    But how do they know what you're downloading? Do they track every. single. thing. that you do on the internet now? If I wanted to download midget farm fetish porn or something like that, would they know? Isn't that privacy infringement?
    I believe that they do track you. I don't think that they have figured out the privacy infringement concerns. As for example, employers now ask for your password when you apply for work. I would think that that is also privacy infringements, but there is no law in place yet.
    I wonder about this. Is it that certain websites are flagged? Do they only look at you if you have large amounts of data downloaded? I do know that Comcast already does this (and has been for a few years) though, since I know a few people that received email warnings from them.
  • ZaylZayl Veteran
    I don't like it. I don't like being watched and monitored in any sense of the word. It unnerves me to no end knowing that someone is keeping tabs on me. It is a violation of my privacy, but more than that it is an insult. When I went to school they had surveillance cameras practically everywhere. It got to the point where I learned where to go to avoid every cameras field of view, making it a moot point to have the cameras in the first place.

    It'l be much the same online. Putting up more cameras did not stop me from being unseen. It just made me better at hiding. And so monitoring the internet traffic won't stop pirating, it will just make them better at it.
  • zidanguszidangus Veteran
    edited March 2012
    Could people not just use something like hotspot shield to counter this ? I know I use this to watch programs on hulu, even though I live in the UK. I think using a proxy can overcome this policing quite easily. So the effect of this is somewhat limited, though I may be wrong. I guess we will see if this has any impact on copyright infringement. I doubt it somehow though :rolleyes:
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited March 2012
    On the surface this sounds like a positive development to me. Is there some aspect to this that I'm missing, like some can of ISP abuse that it opens up? Or is it that people just want to be able to continue getting copyrighted material for free without consequence?
    Yes, it completely removes the "innocent until proven guilty" aspect.
    With the big ISPs having more than 100 million users at their mercy, limiting connection speed could easily convince a good number of people to remediate the alleged violations they are accused of.
    Notice they didn't say "violations you are guilty of". The fundamental flaw with this is that it switches the burden of proof to the individual to prove they are not guilty, instead of how it normally works, the accuser must provide the proof of guilt. All you need now is a baseless accusation and all of a sudden you are guilty. So the potential here is that you get your internet switched off because you can't prove you are not guilty. Something totally wrong with that picture. This is a very bad idea. There are more problem than that though. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/03/graduated-response-deal-steamrollers-towards-july-1-launch
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited March 2012
    But how do they know what you're downloading? Do they track every. single. thing. that you do on the internet now? If I wanted to download midget farm fetish porn or something like that, would they know? Isn't that privacy infringement?
    They are mostly talking about "peer-to-peer" P2P file sharing which usually occurs over "bit torrent" protocol. Not just browsing websites really. When your computer downloads something like this P2P, it normally broadcast your computers IP address, in order for you to share bits that file with other uses too as you are downloading it. It's a direct connection between one individual computer to a bunch of other individual computers. The computers use the IP address to find each other to share the file. The record company or whoever finds out about it by having their own computers connect to these other ones and they record the IP addresses. The IP address tells them what ISP it is and they send letters to the ISP about this particular IP address. The ISP can then tell what persons account it was that uses that IP address. Simply by browsing websites, youtube, etc., they really aren't concerned about that. They are mostly targeting people sharing who are sharing DVD movies, music CDs, expensive software programs, etc.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    But how do they know what you're downloading? Do they track every. single. thing. that you do on the internet now? If I wanted to download midget farm fetish porn or something like that, would they know? Isn't that privacy infringement?
    They are mostly talking about "peer-to-peer" P2P file sharing which usually occurs over "bit torrent" protocol. Not just browsing websites really. When your computer downloads something like this P2P, it normally broadcast your computers IP address, in order for you to share bits that file with other uses too as you are downloading it. It's a direct connection between one individual computer to a bunch of other individual computers. The computers use the IP address to find each other to share the file. The record company or whoever finds out about it by having their own computers connect to these other ones and they record the IP addresses. The IP address tells them what ISP it is and they send letters to the ISP about this particular IP address. The ISP can then tell what persons account it was that uses that IP address. Simply by browsing websites, youtube, etc., they really aren't concerned about that. They are mostly targeting people sharing who are sharing DVD movies, music CDs, expensive software programs, etc.
    Thank You!
  • BekenzeBekenze
    @seeker242

    Oh, I don't use P2P file sharing anyways. I mean, I download a lot of stuff, but not through torrents or anything
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    @seeker242

    Oh, I don't use P2P file sharing anyways. I mean, I download a lot of stuff, but not through torrents or anything
    Yea, Seeker242 is pretty much right on the money, this is mostly P2P. While there is also concern with streaming websites as well.
  • BekenzeBekenze
    Yea, Seeker242 is pretty much right on the money, this is mostly P2P. While there is also concern with streaming websites as well.
    Now that might be an issue.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    If you download a movie or watch it on youtube, it still is viewing something for free which ever way you look at it. It is safer for your computer sure, but it is still stealing! :eek:
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    If you download a movie or watch it on youtube, it still is viewing something for free which ever way you look at it. It is safer for your computer sure, but it is still stealing! :eek:
    Not necessarily. Many videos on You Tube are posted there by the real owner(s) of the video as "advertisements" for related products, or have commercials before the video plays. Other videos are in the public domain or can no longer be purchased and may never be available.

  • HondenHonden Dallas, TX Veteran
    Stories like this make me nervous because of who says what sites and content are considered to be black-listed when all they're trying to do is protect profit margins.
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