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What is vipassana?

jlljll Veteran
edited April 2012 in Meditation
http://www.dhammatalks.net/Books/Bhikkhu_Thanissaro_Vipassana_One_Tool_Among_Many.htm
Almost any book on early Buddhist meditation will tell you that the Buddha taught two types of meditation: samatha and vipassana. Samatha, which means tranquility, is said to be a method fostering strong states of mental absorption, called jhana. Vipassana -- literally "clear-seeing," but more often translated as insight meditation -- is said to be a method using a modicum of tranquility to foster moment-to-moment mindfulness of the inconstancy of events as they are directly experienced in the present.

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  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    yes.....
    and....?

    Was there something you wished to ask or discuss.....?

    :)
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    ... so combining vipassana and samatha meditation is basically zazen?
  • edited April 2012
    not really...separating vipassana and samatha meditation is basically not buddhism
    Thus for him, having thus developed the noble eightfold path...these two qualities occur in tandem: tranquillity & insight

    MN 149
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    edited April 2012
    Okay, so the whole practice is essentially the same as zazen... :rolleyes:
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    @Invincible_summer, I think @WallyB was responding to the OP... :)
  • SabreSabre Veteran
    edited April 2012
    @Invincible_summer, I think @WallyB was responding to the OP... :)
    Think not, because he and the OP agree.
  • edited April 2012
    Think not, because he and the OP agree.
    he and the OP do not agree

    in this sphere, the buddha taught only one kind of meditation, i.e., samadhi bhavana. samatha (tranquility) and vipassana (insight) are two fruits or results from the one method/development (bhavana) of concentration (samadhi). the OP has distinguished two "methods", which is not the case. there is only one noble eightfold path

    also, the OP has not used the term "mindfulness" correctly. mindfulness is a factor of concentration but is directly unrelated to insight. insight happens when mindfulness establishes the mind in concentration. there is no such thing as 'mindfulness of the inconstancy'.

    :)


  • possibilitiespossibilities PNW, WA State Veteran
    edited April 2012
    The OP is a quote from the link - an essay by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.... who makes these statements ending in "As a meditative tool, the vipassana method is sufficient for attaining the goal. Or so we're told."

    Then he explains "In the few instances where they do mention vipassana, they almost always pair it with samatha -- not as two alternative methods, but as two qualities of mind that a person may "gain" or "be endowed with," "

    etc....

    Also, the article is called: The Place of Vipassana in Buddhist Practice, not What is vipassana? Different connotation, IMO.
  • SabreSabre Veteran
    edited April 2012
    Think not, because he and the OP agree.
    he and the OP do not agree

    the OP has distinguished two "methods", which is not the case.
    I suggest to read the rest of the quoted article before responding. It even quotes the same sutta you quoted above to make the same point.
  • patbbpatbb Veteran
    edited April 2012
    i don't think it is possible to separate vipassana and samatha.

    I don't see how it is logical.

    concretely, if you think of vipassana as a stand alone method, either Goenka or Mahasi, you are automatically doing samatha. Either directly or indirectly as a result of vipassana.

    Samatha is simply stabilizing the mind on a object.

    If you are doing Vipassana, even if you are not doing Samatha directly (which both Goenka and Mahasi does for at least a third of the time), your object of concentration is whatever you are looking at inside instead of the breath.
    So you will develop Samatha no matter what.
    Even if you do something called "dry" insight which is to go right into vipassana without first gaining access concentration or first-second jhana through pure samatha meditation, you have no choice but to do Samatha while doing vipassana.

    For Mahasi, most of the time is spent doing Samatha, looking at the breath, even when doing Vipassana.

    as an example from my practice, going to Goenka retreats,
    we first work exclusively on Samatha for the first 4 days.
    Then move on to vipassana.

    After 4 days of training, the mind is far more powerful/stable/concentrated.
    So even if, on the first meditation of the morning in the fifth day, i go straight to vipassana, it takes only a few minutes to get the mind to be very stable and stabilize. Due to residual benefits from the training of the first 4 days.
    Since vipassana also develop Samatha, my concentration still keep on getting better every single day after even if i don't do any pure Samatha meditation for the rest of the retreat.


    I firmly believe anyone who talk of Vipassana as something that can be separated from samatha to not really understand what is Viapassana, as taught by Goenka or Mahasi.
    So they might imagine it is something completely different and are talking about whatever it is that they imagine, which would make alot more sense.

  • I always 'preffered' zen-buddhism over...other uhm....streams
    Because it's main focus is on practise, not so much on theoretics.

    they all lead to Rome, so it doesn't matter...really...

    :)


  • vipassana...

    breathing , letting come and pass,

    etc. etc. etc.
  • misecmisc1misecmisc1 I am a Hindu India Veteran
    edited April 2012
    My understanding of Buddha's teachings says: Samatha and Vipassana are two slanting standing poles supporting eachother - if one is removed, the other falls automatically and so one cannot stand without the other.

    the above is my theoretical understanding, don't know if i will ever be able to directly experience it :(
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    ..... also, the OP has not used the term "mindfulness" correctly. mindfulness is a factor of concentration but is directly unrelated to insight. insight happens when mindfulness establishes the mind in concentration. there is no such thing as 'mindfulness of the inconstancy'.

    I'm not sure I agree. It seems to me that "mindfulness of inconstancy" is actually a very good description of vipassana. Mindfulness of a single object leads to concentration. Mindfulness of the mind leads to insight.
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