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The importance of investigation

Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
edited May 2012 in General Banter
"Certitude conquers doubt, not ignorance. And with doubt conquered, ignorance is invincible.”

~ Bodhimind

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  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    "Certitude conquers doubt, not ignorance. And with doubt conquered, ignorance is invincible.”

    ~ Bodhimind
    Yes and no.
    I'm pretty sure the earth is round but I don't regard that as a position of ignorance.
    :p
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited May 2012
    This is the full quotation, of which the "Bodhimind" quotation, above, is a paraphrase.
    IT is the characteristic of certitude that its object is a truth, a truth as such, a proposition as true. There are right and wrong convictions, and certitude is a right conviction; if it is not right with a consciousness of being right, it is not certitude. Now truth cannot change; what is once truth is always truth; and the human mind is made for truth, and so rests in truth, as it cannot rest in falsehood. When then it once becomes possessed of a truth, what is to dispossess it? but this is to be certain; therefore once certitude, always certitude. If certitude in any matter be the termination of all doubt or fear about its truth, and an unconditional conscious adherence to it, it carries with it an inward assurance, strong though implicit, that it shall never fail. Indefectibility almost enters into its very idea, enters into it at least so far as this, that its failure, if of frequent occurrence, would prove that certitude was after all and in fact an impossible act, and that what looked like it was a mere extravagance of the intellect. Truth would still be truth, but the knowledge of it would be beyond us and unattainable. It is of great importance then to show, that, as a general rule, certitude does not fail; that failures of what was taken for certitude are the exception; that the intellect, which is made for truth, can attain truth, and, having attained it, can keep it, can recognize it, and preserve the recognition.
    One really needs to see the full version in context, to understand its deeper meaning.
  • Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
    Dear friends

    The quotation from Fede is not where the first quote was from - so please disregard it from that.

    Kind regards,
    Abu
  • Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
    "Certitude conquers doubt, not ignorance. And with doubt conquered, ignorance is invincible.”

    ~ Bodhimind
    Yes and no.
    I'm pretty sure the earth is round but I don't regard that as a position of ignorance.
    :p
    Is a flower a flower?
    What is a flower?

    It is an encouragement to reflect on the limitations, and usage, of language. And in the learning, to always recognise the freedom of the unknown.

    "The mind of an enlightened human being is flexible;
    the mind of an ignorant person is fixed."
    - Ajahn Sumedho

    Best wishes,

    Abu
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    Dear friends

    The quotation from Fede is not where the first quote was from - so please disregard it from that.

    Kind regards,
    Abu
    I didn't say the first quote came from there.
    read my post again.

    I explained that the bodhimind quotation is a PARAPHRASE of the text I included.
    This is where the bodhimind quotation originates.
    It is a condensation of this thesis.
    it takes nothing away from your quotation.
    It amplifies, expands and clarifies it.
  • Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
    edited May 2012
    Hi @federica

    With respect, that is not true.

    The expanded quote is a mumble jumble of some other theories which is not even close.

    Bodhimind's quote stands on its own in regards to Buddhist practice, and is not a paraphrase of the other.

    That is like taking a phrase of mind and googling a phrase with common terms, and attributing it to me.

    Abu
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    If you wish.

    :)
  • Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
    It was just the truth.

    Namaste.
  • DiseriaDiseria
    "Certitude conquers doubt, not ignorance. And with doubt conquered, ignorance is invincible.”

    ~ Bodhimind
    Invincible? ...thought ignorance was something, by itself, to be conquered...?



    :confused:
  • Floating_AbuFloating_Abu Veteran
    Joy is always possible :)

  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran
    Once we have it all wrapped up we can no longer watch it unfold.

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