vattupama sutta and bad qualities within us

upekka

without knowing and accepting that bad qualities are within us we never be able to get rid of them

first thing is to know what are the bad qualities that can be within us
then to check whether they are within us
then we can work on them

i hope that advance practisioners could contribute to this thread which will help all of us to work on our own bad qualities

upekka

The Sixteen Defilements of Mind:
1. abhijjha-visama-lobha, covetousness and unrighteous greed
2. byapada, ill will
3. kodha, anger
4. upanaha, hostility or malice
5. makkha, denigration or detraction; contempt
6. palasa, domineering or presumption
7. issa, envy
8. macchariya, jealousy, or avarice; selfishness
9. maya, hypocrisy or deceit
10. satheyya, fraud
11. thambha, obstinacy, obduracy
12. sarambha, presumption or rivalry; impetuosity
13. mana, conceit
14. atimana, arrogance, haughtiness
15. mada, vanity or pride
16. pamada, negligence or heedlessness; in social behavior, this leads to lack of consideration

upekka

search on 'vatthupama sutta, in majjima nikaya, tripitaka

hermitwin

as an 'advanced' practitioner, lack of right effort is my biggest stumbling block.

pegembara

The sixteen defilements can be reduced to the five hindrances.

"Monks, there are these five hindrances. Which five? Sensual desire as a hindrance, ill will as a hindrance, sloth & drowsiness as a hindrance, restlessness & anxiety as a hindrance, and uncertainty as a hindrance. These are the five hindrances.

"To abandon these five hindrances, one should develop the four frames of reference. Which four? There is the case where a monk remains focused on the body in & of itself — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. He remains focused on feelings in & of themselves... mind in & of itself... mental qualities in & of themselves — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. To abandon the five hindrances, one should develop these four frames of reference."

Nivarana Sutta: Hindrances

The Blessed One said this: "This is the direct path for the purification of beings, for the overcoming of sorrow & lamentation, for the disappearance of pain & distress, for the attainment of the right method, & for the realization of Unbinding — in other words, the four frames of reference. Which four?

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.010.than.html

DairyLama

"Monks, there are these five hindrances. Which five? Sensual desire as a hindrance, ill will as a hindrance, sloth & drowsiness as a hindrance, restlessness & anxiety as a hindrance, and uncertainty as a hindrance. These are the five hindrances.

Yes, the 5 hindrances are useful to work with. At times I simplify them to craving ( loba ) and aversion ( dosa ).

upekka

'jealousy, or avarice; selfishness'

if we simplify to loba and dosa where we can put the above

or to five hindrances

am i with craving or aversion if i am jealouse with one of my friend's success?

pegembara

upekka said:

'jealousy, or avarice; selfishness'

am i with craving or aversion if i am jealouse with one of my friend's success?

Whenever there is a heartfelt sense of "pulling towards"(desiring his success for ourselves/lobha) or "pushing away"(relishing his failure/dosa), there is craving there. The sense of calm and peace or contentment is already disturbed. As you can see there is only a thin line between lobha and dosa.

DairyLama

pegembara said:

upekka said:

'jealousy, or avarice; selfishness'

am i with craving or aversion if i am jealouse with one of my friend's success?

Whenever there is a heartfelt sense of "pulling towards"(desiring his success for ourselves/lobha) or "pushing away"(relishing his failure/dosa), there is craving there. The sense of calm and peace or contentment is already disturbed. As you can see there is only a thin line between lobha and dosa.

Yes, I find the pulling in / pushing away description useful because it actually feels like that. Or wanting / not wanting. Or like the poles on a magnet, attraction and repulsion.
If you look at mental activity quite a lot of it falls into these 2 basic categories.

taiyaki

On the basis of ignorance we fabricate thing. Thing is made and attraction and repulsion solidfu the fabrication.

Ending aversion and attachment. There we see the object. Then we end objecthood of asserted object. No longer having name or form. What is left is suchness.

It is the movement of suchness. We see no longer is it a thing but a movement of dharma.

Deconstruct and construct. Make something solid then break down the solidity through direct investigation.

The big daddy is the assertion of thing.

Also idk about the word bad. Its more like solidity of phenomena causes the whole chain of suffering.

Breaking the chain brings about the cessation of suffering.

If you like to suffer then keep suffering. If you don't then see through fabrication.

See how reality is built direct by mind and ignorance.

Telly03

Understanding and accepting the darkness in us allows us to control it... the problems occur when we deny that the darkness exists in us and we project it onto others, such as Hitler and the Jews... it justifies the bad actions.

upekka

macchariya, jealousy, or avarice; selfishness

i found five catagories of macchariya
1. kula macchariya
2. avasa macchariya
3. laba maccariya
4. vanna macchariya
5. dhamma macchariya

if anyone can give the english translations to above it would be much appreciated

thanks in advance