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I am not talking about slow processes like jhanas (which develop over a long period of time) but something more radical that could help us lose body consciousness? Not drugs, alcohol, but meditative techniques that could help one attain total detachment from the flesh.
Samwise

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  • RebeccaSRebeccaS Veteran
    Are you talking about astral projection?
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    edited October 2012
    Emptiness.

    Body is a grouping of sensations. Break down the sensations then you get space and energy. Break down space and energy. Then whats left is an appearance of consciousness, which is known to have the adjective called emptiness.

    We make wholes on the basis of parts. We make parts on the basis of wholes. There are no wholes, nor parts. These are imputations on empty "things", which rests nexta to more imputations.

    This sounds intellectual but one can bring this into meditation and start to dissolve wholes/parts.

    Hope this is useful.

    Once the emptiness of the body is seen then the truth body is known.
    Jeffrey
  • musicmusic
    RebeccaS said:

    Are you talking about astral projection?

    I don't know, it could be. I am talking about a state where you are conscious without feeling the body.
  • musicmusic
    edited October 2012
    @taiyaki, could you explain this 'dissolving' thing? How are we to do that?
  • RebeccaSRebeccaS Veteran
    music said:

    RebeccaS said:

    Are you talking about astral projection?

    I don't know, it could be. I am talking about a state where you are conscious without feeling the body.
    The idea behind astral projection is that you leave your body behind and like... Go places. It sounds cool but it's a waste of time IMO and you might go somewhere really, really shitty. So you're still conscious, but you're not in your body anymore... But what if you get lost? :lol: It just doesn't sound very good to me and I wouldn't try it.
  • PatrPatr Veteran
    The Jhanas are only pointers that show you are on the correct path, they're not mystical places. In theory, your soul/mind is dissociated from your body at the 4th Jhana.

    Happy Astral travelling then.
  • SonghillSonghill Veteran
    edited October 2012
    Music:
    I am not talking about slow processes like jhanas (which develop over a long period of time) but something more radical that could help us lose body consciousness? Not drugs, alcohol, but meditative techniques that could help one attain total detachment from the flesh.
    "And again, Udayin, a course has been pointed out by me for disciples [ariyasavaka], practising which disciples of mine from this body (mentally) produce (another) body having a material shape, mind made [rûpim manomayam], having all its major and mior parts, not deficient in any sense organ” (M.ii.17) (Brackets are mine.)
  • musicmusic
    @songhill, I don't quite get that sutra. Tbh, I don't quite get any sutra. Could you pl. explain?
  • howhow Veteran Veteran
    Music
    Do you really think there is a secret teaching that millions of monks and other renuciates have chosen not to follow or divulge?
    Fortunately for you there seems to be a couple of folks here who have achieved total detachment from the flesh and are willing to tell you how they do it.

    Yay Internet!!!!
    The Buddha must of been such a boob to have wasted all his time on useless effort instead of just using the secret short cut.
    The 4 Noble truths/ 8 fold path & dependant origination are going to be rendered superfluous here soon......
    Wait for it...................................................................................................
    lobsterFullCircle
  • SonghillSonghill Veteran
    edited October 2012
    Music:
    Tbh, I don't quite get any sutra. Could you pl. explain?
    It can't be explained because it is an advanced practice (only for ariyans, that is, current-enterers). Suffice it to say, this manomaya body is not physical (that is, not connected with the five aggregate psycho-physical body). Keep in mind that the birth of the Bodhisattva (the Buddha to be) was with a manomaya body — not a physical body.
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    If you sit in meditation and work on concentration or insight practice, our normal everyday perception start to change.

    The boundaries of our bodies change. Through the breath we can enlargen and squeeze the body using breath-energy.

    With mindfulness we can actively look at a sensation or even the whole sense of body. When we look with an emphasis on say the three marks or emptiness then perception of a "thing" fades into the formless. So one experiences infinite consciousness, spaciousness, nothingness, and even down to neither perception or non perception. And even these deconstruct into complete unbinding.

    The buddha wanted us to see the end of the world, beyond the six sense perceptions. To the degree of letting go and insight equals the degree of peace and freedom.

    Hope this helps.
    lobster
  • SamwiseSamwise
    It would seem the practice of creating a body of mind-stuff would be a proper academic dissertation. Sometimes the most fascinating subjects in Buddhism are found in the most obscure passages of the n. suttas. One may add to the discussion the passage where the 5 aggregates are equated with mara! Keeping this in mind it is no wonder that Buddhism is a gnostic religion, requiring some sort of insight that sees past or transcends the 'every day cognition' of reality.. namely, taking out the trash (or the same, tending the body).

    I need a shave and a haircut.
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