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Who am I?

This is a question I have been addressing on and off for the past few months. I always thought I knew what I wanted in life and had something of a road map I wanted to follow. Things never quite worked out how I wanted them to and then I discovered Buddhism. Buddhism taught me to live in the present and this I felt was the final piece of a jigsaw that made me feel content with my life. I now find myself asking the question of how I want to live my life. I am still young and have many years ahead of me (hopefully). What do I want to do with my time? Is it wrong to make a list of places I would like to go and things I would like to see and do? Do I want to find a new partner to share these experiences with or do I want to be single (at least for now)? Am I wasting time and effort in even considering these questions rather than just being?

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  • Be-here-now doesn't mean you're not allowed to plan for the future. If It did, no one would have a retirement savings plan, nor would they progress in their careers. There would be no need for grocery lists, or saving for a child's college education.

    I think the point is more that planning for the future is a normal part of life, but spending excessive time daydreaming about the future is time taken away from practice and study.
  • howhow Veteran Veteran
    Buddhism teaches about suffering and the path to it's cessation.
    Most of us do a lot of criss crossing of this path. The question for me is about my effort of the moment to stay or stray on that path.
  • Lee82Lee82 Veteran
    edited December 2012
    @Dakini Fair point. Career is an interesting one; I've studied for many years to get to where I am now and am studying a third degree at the moment to specialise in my career. Lately though I have lost all motivation for my studying, I still enjoy the subject but no longer enjoy the deadlines and the pressure that goes with the distance learning. I think I will stop at the end of this academic year and take a lesser qualification (PGDip instead of MSc) just so I can stop my studying. I feel there are other things I can be doing with my time, but not sure what exactly.

    The main issues that I have been considering are hobbies and holidays. I would like to travel and see places and am considering forming a list of places I would like to go. With hobbies I have always enjoyed playing sport and playing guitar. I have thought about properly getting in to my guitar playing and doing grade exams (something I never did despite playing to a high level), just as a hobby and for personal achievement. In doing this am I forming an attachment to it? Should I allow myself to indulge in something and let it take a considerable amount of my time? One reason I am thinking about these things is that currently and for the past few weeks the days have been passing me by and I am doing very little with my time other than wasting it away.
  • ToshTosh Veteran
    edited December 2012
    Hi Lee,

    May I suggest that you sound a bit lost, like you're seeking for something; I've heard it described as having a 'hole in the soul that the wind blows through'. I don't know if that's how you feel, I'm just guessing; it appears to be a very common feeling with us human beings though.

    In Buddhism, so I've been taught, when the Buddha spoke of suffering - we all can easily recognise the gross forms - but there is a more subtle form of suffering called 'pervasive suffering', because it pervades everything. I think it's part of the human condition. I know I can certainly feel restless, irritable and discontented at times; feckless even.

    And I think things like travel and music are wonderful; these are things that people can and should do, if they're able; however it won't be a permanent cure for that pervasive suffering.

    Things that help me with dealing with life is a meditation practice (woefully missing for me at the moment) and practising compassion for others. I know that when I purely focus on my own happiness, I can end up miserable; it's a paradox. But when I try to help others, I end up happier. I'm lucky, I'm in A.A.; there's always people I know who need a ride to a meeting, or some friendly encouragement; I help where I can. It takes my mind off myself and places it on other people - that's good for me.

    I don't think anyone here would give you specific advice about whether to travel, play music, drop your studies, etc; but they may suggest you begin a meditation practise, study some Buddhism, visit some Buddhist centres and basically investigate and practise Buddhism. And maybe through your practise, what direction you wish to take with your life will become clearer?

    Regards

    Tosh
  • Attachment doesn't come from doing things. It comes from the mind. If you are non-attached to guitar playing it will make you a better player rather than a non-player.
  • A sincere sense of inquiry and curiosity is a healthy quality we should always nurture.

    These questions have no definite answers until we settle. But if we allow the uncomfortable groundlessness of our life in its moment to moment unfolding.

    Then we will find that each instant is the fulfillment we seek. And from there we build the world we desire.

    The answer is your life.
  • misecmisc1misecmisc1 I am a Hindu India Veteran
    edited December 2012
    my view - well, whatever we do in our life in external world is meaningless and the only meaningful act is the journey performed in the inner world. if the acts in external world are for the welfare of others, then it has some meaning for goodness, though not that meaningful as inner journey, as even the goodness has to be let go of later.
  • @tosh I don't feel that I am lost. I feel that I have reached a point in my life where I am content and am able to make decisions about my future direction. I know that in the past I have been attached to things and that is not a good position to be in. If I can find a way to follow my 'desires' but not become attached to them that would be ideal. From this position I am currently in with good health, stable home life and good career I am free to move in any direction I choose and don't want to fall in to familiar routines and attachments as I have in the past with relationships and hobbies.

    @jeffery How do you enjoy something and become better at it without being attached to it? This is one thing I cannot get clear in my mind.
    Tosh
  • The best way to find out who you are, is by eliminating the list of things you associate yourself to be/and with.
  • @kashi please explain further
  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran
    edited December 2012
    Dakini said:

    Be-here-now doesn't mean you're not allowed to plan for the future. If It did, no one would have a retirement savings plan, nor would they progress in their careers. There would be no need for grocery lists, or saving for a child's college education.

    I think the point is more that planning for the future is a normal part of life, but spending excessive time daydreaming about the future is time taken away from practice and study.

    I agree and would add that the point is to not be distracted so planning for the future is fine if one is not distracted by other things while doing it.

    Daydreaming about how planning the future may be if we won the lotto is likely not that productive.

    Not that I don't do just that every now and then.

  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator
    @Lee82, there is a difference in just living your life and being negatively, or unhealthfully attached to various things, whether it's a spouse and children, your home, your job, your car, your ipad, or whatever. When your attachments control you, it's a problem. When you live your life to support your attachments and don't care for more important things in your life, that's a problem. If your job is so important to you that you are never home with your wife and your children are used to you breaking promises, then that attachment to the job is negative. The best way to describe it is honestly when you know you can "just let it be" then you know you are there. It's hard to explain until you experience it, lol, but you know when you do.

    As an example, some people are so attached to their homes, they cannot imagine moving on if the home burns or floods or is otherwise destroyed. They feel ruined, outside of the normal "holy crap, now what!?" feelings anyone would have. Everything they know, everything they are and have lived, was their house and what was in it. Without it they don't even know how to move on. Not saying a person shouldn't be sad at losing their home! Being sad about it is not attachment. Not knowing how to move on, how to be thankful for what IS ok, is showing an attachment to the house. My grandma would be one of those people. She would rather die herself than to see her house go up in flames.
    Lee82Jeffrey
  • Ask your self some questions even though they might sound funny and obvious...such as,
    Am I my body? Am I my thoughts? Am I my feelings? my emotions? my job? am I who I am because of how others see me? am I my interests? .....and keep going like this. You will find the answer is no to all the above. Why? because everything changes and nothing stays the same. The Buddha said do not hold on to the view "I am" but also not "I am not" nor "I am but Im not"
    Theres no problem making plans and such, but dont hold on to them as if they were some unchanging thing. Trips, relationships, new jobs, whatever. And dont hold on to some idea of "self".
    It takes looking deeply into these questions to really start to see.
    DavidLee82Jeffrey
  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran
    When a jogger is sitting, is it really a jogger?

    The funny thing is it was never really a jogger... It was simply jogging.

  • Lee82 said:

    @Dakini Fair point. Career is an interesting one; I've studied for many years to get to where I am now and am studying a third degree at the moment to specialise in my career. Lately though I have lost all motivation for my studying, I still enjoy the subject but no longer enjoy the deadlines and the pressure that goes with the distance learning. I think I will stop at the end of this academic year and take a lesser qualification (PGDip instead of MSc) just so I can stop my studying. I feel there are other things I can be doing with my time, but not sure what exactly.

    One thing you can consider here is whether the higher qualification will allow you to be of better service to others. That could give you some motivation. If it would qualify you for a job that suits you better, that would be another source of motivation.

    Is there pressure & deadlines w/distance learning? I thought it was go-at-your-own-pace. Maybe that would be too chaotic for the teachers, though, if people dragged the process out. hm... good to know. Good luck whatever your choice. Let us know how it works out.

  • ourself said:

    When a jogger is sitting, is it really a jogger?

    The funny thing is it was never really a jogger... It was simply jogging.

    Very true...reminds me of how many things we call ourselves depending on what we are doing. Shopper, driver, student, customer....none of these things are even real anyway.
  • @Lee82 RE: your question about whether to take up a hobby. I wrestle with that myself. I think sometimes, should I take up a musical instrument (I can get a little OCD with music, but I'm good at it, and love it), or would that time be better spent working on a cause, or volunteering? Are hobbies just another waste of time, when there's so much suffering in the world, even in our own town or neighborhood? I have a hard time with that. Only you can decide. I don't think we should get too Puritanical about these things, though. It's easy to fall into a way of thinking that Buddhism is about denying ourselves pleasures. I would say it's more about what our priorities in life are. Those will be different for every individual.
    Lee82
  • @dakini there certainly are deadlines! The first year of the course I had 6 courseworks to do with deadlines approximately 6 weeks apart so everything was well organised. This year there are only 2 deadlines with 3 courseworks due at the first date and 2 courseworks at the second date. This leaves time management very much in my hands and as I lack motivation at present I end up leaving things as late as I can and then am under intense pressure to hit the deadlines. I hate working this way as it takes over your life when the deadline approaches.

    The qualification will help me to specialise and pursue a career I know I will enjoy but even though I enjoy the subject and know my studying will all be worthwhile I want to be doing other things and see study as a chore. Perhaps my career doesn't rank as highly as trying to live a fulfilling life.
  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran
    kashi said:

    ourself said:

    When a jogger is sitting, is it really a jogger?

    The funny thing is it was never really a jogger... It was simply jogging.

    Very true...reminds me of how many things we call ourselves depending on what we are doing. Shopper, driver, student, customer....none of these things are even real anyway.
    That's just it... We are motion and works in progress so to definitivly label what we are doesn't really work realistically. We are what we are doing and what we are doing is being.

    "Doing" and "being" are one in the same.



  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    I don't think that's a question any of us can really help you with. It's just something we all have to discover for ourselves, so I say explore the possibilities and see where they lead you. Without getting too esoteric, just be aware that we essentially create who we are through the choices we make and the things we attach to, so try to make skillful choices, have wise attachments, and do what makes you happy.
    Zero
  • Well, a satisfying career is part of a fulfilling life. I wonder: is "time management" part of being in the present? Recognizing what needs to be done "now"? Just thinking out loud. I can relate to your situation, though; it reminds me of college and term paper deadlines. I was terrible at that. I just hope you're not sacrificing future job satisfaction because of this. Can you see yourself enjoying whatever job options your lesser qualification will provide?
  • @Jason I understand no one can directly help me but by discussing the question it helps me to think around the issues in different ways, from different angles, and thus find a path that at this moment appears the right one to follow. Thanks.
  • @dakini It's not that I have lesser qualifications, I am professionally qualified, just that the particular course I am doing means I will have much greater knowledge in a particular subject area that will allow me to do much of that type of work in the future and hopefully help me to bring in new projects for my company.

    Studying isn't something I'm going to be doing long term, whether I stop now, or early next year or at the end of the course it is not part of my plans for the future. Therefore my mind is occupied by these other things that I do want to be doing. Studying has a fixed term in my plans and perhaps that is why it gets none of my attention, if that makes any sense?
  • Attachment would mean that if you could not play a certain way you would suffer. If you didn't improve as you expected. Just playing guitar is not attachment, but if your hands develop palsy and you cannot play any more then you find out you were attached. I encounter this in painting. I started with just an inquisitive mind and then when I got slightly better I started having an idea about what I *should* be doing and it made me feel bad. So just some kind of rigid ego idea could make you suffer.

    Non-attachment makes things MORE enjoyable rather than less. It's a wrong view of Buddhism that says you cannot enjoy things or do hobbies. I think some people get that idea because actual monks limit the activities. I think the Pali Canon says somewhere what monks are not allowed to do and the rules include not going to shows. But you are a layperson.

    Let me know if it still doesn't make sense. I didn't want to leave you with a wall of text, but I may have something else useful to say if I haven't made my point yet.
    Lee82
  • @Jeffrey I'm intrigued by this other useful thing you may have to say! Thanks for your comments. I would like to improve so I can play certain things but as you say that could be a bad thing. It may be better to want to play and improve but without any targets or expectations, yes that makes sense to me.
  • howhow Veteran Veteran
    WHO AM I.. a great question with endless answers.

    Typically a meditator will seem to see more of themselves as they initially become more meditatively aware of the myriad influences upon them until that trend starts collapsing on itself with a growing insight that the more we see of the "I", the more we see it was all just a dream.

    & if you're daft enough to think that makes you special, a good Teacher will say "Yeah, Dune was my favourite book too!"
    lobster
  • Lee82 said:

    @dakini It's not that I have lesser qualifications, I am professionally qualified, just that the particular course I am doing means I will have much greater knowledge in a particular subject area that will allow me to do much of that type of work in the future and hopefully help me to bring in new projects for my company.

    Studying isn't something I'm going to be doing long term, whether I stop now, or early next year or at the end of the course it is not part of my plans for the future. Therefore my mind is occupied by these other things that I do want to be doing. Studying has a fixed term in my plans and perhaps that is why it gets none of my attention, if that makes any sense?

    I understand all this. I was just wondering if taking "option B" that you presented would still give you enough job satisfaction, and sustain you throughout your career, in terms of interest, challenging your mind and talents, and so on. I'm just trying to provide food for thought. There is no right answer, except the one you eventually arrive at, based on your own self-knowledge and reflection. If you think you'll be happy with "option B" rathern than "A", go for it. If you think you might feel stalled or bored in your job 10 years from now, maybe it might be best to muster the motivation to complete "option A". Only you can know what's right and best for you.

  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited December 2012
    Jeffrey said:

    Attachment

    The opposite of attachment is aversion. OP, you're currently experiencing aversion to deadlines. Your mind is tempting you, by entertaining visions of being an accomplished guitar player. Just something to throw into the mix of thoughts to reflect and meditate on.

    Now, sometimes people really can't go on and continue dealing with the pressure. If that's your situation, then I think you've come up with a good escape hatch, the shorter degree/certification. And it's possible that this isn't a written-in-stone type of decision. (If you go for the easier certificate, it could be that someday you could go back and finish the program, if your mind-set changes. We do change, after all, we're not a permanent, fixed "self"). It seems like you really want to get your studies over with, and that your mind is to some extent made up about that.

    If you're thinking you'd like to travel, you should. I don't see that as attachment. I read about a lama who advised his student, a Western monk, that he should enjoy life fully while he was young. Your experiences will enrich you and help give you insight when you're older. Traveling (I assume this means: on vacations) would be easier without a partner to coordinate with. For now, anyway. Just a thought.

  • Sup Dude, ofcourse not im thinking about compliling a bucket list also. The word of warning comes when you expect to get something from them i.e say u wanted to go to place x to experience y but when you got there you didn't experience what you thought u would experience, you would be rather dissapointed so in short it is fine but i would suggest not putting to much emotional enphasis on it. PS finding someone to fall in love with and sharing experiences together is amazing lol.

    All the best fella
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