Faults-Yours or Mine

upekka

'find faults with others is the big mistake we make
find faults with others is the find faults with me
until one realies this one is with delusion'

what do you think about the above

amandathetexan

I have heard something similar to that before - the faults we look for in others are really just mirrored from ourselves. It generally seems pretty valid. Seeing the faults in others and using them to identify faults within ourselves is useful. Finding/seeking faults in others and/or dwelling on them isn't.

lobster

If aware of this we can indeed criticise, even though it is self criticism. We can reveal others flaws as our own, or our own for others to reflect on.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
from 'I am the Walrus' by the Beatles

upekka

thanks amandathetexan and lobster

if it is possible to put this thread in the Advanced Ideas there is a possibility that we can get more advanced ideas from advanced practisioners

that was the expectation of OP

how

upekka said:

'find faults with others is the big mistake we make
find faults with others is the find faults with me
until one realies this one is with delusion'

what do you think about the above

what do you think about the above

There is no real one to be called deluded.
Finding faults with others or self is a limited statement because it doesn't
make allowances for the difference between discernment and judgement.
Discernment is observing without becoming attached to that sight.
Judgement is where the observation is really just an expression of attachment.

The real question is "Is the observation of a particular fault, attachment bound or not?"

& PS

An advanced idea or practioner is just that which knows there is no such thing.

chela

How do you know if there is attachment involved, so that you can identify whether it is discernment or judgment? I think sometimes we can ask ourselves this and easily identify judgment. But sometimes I find myself not really knowing-- like the line is really fuzzy. Lately I've been wondering if all of my observations of others aren't really just judgments. And I also wonder if I'm just completely delusional. I guess when you start to really look at your mind, it seems like the ground you're standing on starts to shake apart. I no longer feel like I'm standing on solid ground-- like I no longer know what I'm talking about (inside my head or outside of it).

Jeffrey

Chela, that's what Trungpa Rinpoche talks about as what we begin to realize as we open up and let go. I also would like to know the difference between 'just thinking' and clarity/insight/samadhi.

how

@Chela
Discernment is a manifestation of equanimity & freedom
whereas judgement exists for self identification & control.
You determine one from the other by their fruit.
&
Solid ground has always been a ego dreaming of it's own validity.
If the ground is feeling shaky, that's just the cost of courting truth.

pegembara

upekka said:

'find faults with others is the big mistake we make
find faults with others is the find faults with me
until one realies this one is with delusion'

what do you think about the above

Faults are just faults. They don't belong to anyone, not yours nor mine. They are there due to prior causes and conditions. The only thing to do is to create the right conditions so that the faults are not repeated.