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The evolution of Consciousness and Buddhism

betaboybetaboy Veteran
edited December 2013 in General Banter
In the beginning there was inanimate matter. Then consciousness evolved. There was no reason why it should have, but it did. As conscious beings, we manipulated matter for our benefit. We couldn't fly, so we invented devices that could. We couldn't live in forests, so we created out of raw nature some sort of habitable environment.

Point being, it has been a constant struggle between what consciousness wants and what the world of matter/nature/environment could provide. Consciousness may want X, but nature may only provide Z; so it is up to the former to manipulate the latter so as to create X. In short, consciousness is like a prisoner of matter and every bit of its 'success' has to come through some sort of struggle against matter.

In this context, can Buddhism be seen as the highest desire of Consciousness (C) - which is nothing less than freedom from matter (M) itself? So far, C has been using M for its benefit, whether in man or the beast or the bird. But has C reached such a level in human beings that it now seeks ultimate freedom (rather than the benefits that come through the mere manipulation of M)?

Is this what Nibanna is all about?

Comments

  • No.
    betaboyvinlynfedericalobster
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited December 2013
    Matter is the form skhanda. Mind is feeling (yes, no, blah), perception, formations, and consciousness (5 senses, 1 mind, 1 manos (I), alaya (seed consciousness)
  • HamsakaHamsaka goosewhisperer Polishing the 'just so' Veteran
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentric_universe

    Robert Lanza theorizes consciousness is the cause of the world of matter and formations, not to mention the intangibles.

    Makes a lot of 'sense' to me, for what it's worth, and seems to illustrate the cosmology the Buddha spoke of.

    Gassho :)
    Dandelion
  • anatamananataman Who needs a title? Where am I? Veteran
    Then LET IT BE @betaboy
    Why should life be a struggle when we are only struggling with ourselves?

    om ah hum benza guru pema siddhi hum

    sova
  • om ah hum benza guru pema siddhi hum
    What's that mantra? My sangha has it on our liturgy.
  • sovasova delocalized fractyllic harmonizing Veteran
    Jeffrey said:

    om ah hum benza guru pema siddhi hum
    What's that mantra? My sangha has it on our liturgy.

    http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Padmasambhava

    =)
    Jeffrey
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    betaboy said:


    Is this what Nibanna is all about?

    In a way, yes. Release from samsara, the cycle of birth and death.
  • @betaboy You've roughly described the evolutionary basis of samsara. In short, grasping after things facilitates proliferation, so grasping beings proliferate. The process happens even within your own head.
  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran
    I don't think there can be matter without some kind of intelligence at work. Matter is a collection of information which is the definition of intelligence.

    Consciousness could come later but who really knows?
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran
    betaboy said:

    Is this what Nibanna is all about?

    As far as I am aware you have described banana dharma nibanna.
    This is based on the controversial 'two banana sutra' (not yet revealed by nagas).
    Basically this contends that placing a banana in each ear whilst listening to dharma and only hearing what one wants is the first stage of 'ignorance is bliss' doctrine. After hearing nothing which interferes with ones preconceptions, one places the bananas in ones mouth and proceeds to expound the banana dharma with ones mouth full . .

    more circus performing tomorrow?

    image
    robotbetaboyDaivahow
  • betaboy said:


    ...In this context, can Buddhism be seen as the highest desire of Consciousness (C) - which is nothing less than freedom from matter (M) itself? So far, C has been using M for its benefit, whether in man or the beast or the bird. But has C reached such a level in human beings that it now seeks ultimate freedom (rather than the benefits that come through the mere manipulation of M)?

    Is this what Nibanna is all about?

    Following your line of thinking I’d say that the Buddhist twist to this is the discovery that consciousness really is having internal problems only.
    Liberation is achieved in the mind, independent of material circumstances (idealistically spoken).
  • Consciousness is not the self. Matter is merely form skhanda.
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