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A right view? perhaps?
I just realized my consciousness, is not something that is born and dies,
it is like this;
like two magnifying glasses that are distorted when looked through seperately, when you put them together a clearness is revealed...
by virtue of it's focusing in...or 'blending' of a few materials together lets consciousness shine through....
blend of things,..
so the question now is, does consciousness exists everywhere like under the covers of the universe? and is just waiting for the right blend of focusing agents to shine through?
and if so, is there other levels of 'focus' that the mind can achieve ? explains buddha's seemingly all pervading knowledge.. and if this is so, when my body dies, I or rather my consciousness i was using will be reborn when there is another right blend of aggregates....?
it is like this;
like two magnifying glasses that are distorted when looked through seperately, when you put them together a clearness is revealed...
by virtue of it's focusing in...or 'blending' of a few materials together lets consciousness shine through....
blend of things,..
so the question now is, does consciousness exists everywhere like under the covers of the universe? and is just waiting for the right blend of focusing agents to shine through?
and if so, is there other levels of 'focus' that the mind can achieve ? explains buddha's seemingly all pervading knowledge.. and if this is so, when my body dies, I or rather my consciousness i was using will be reborn when there is another right blend of aggregates....?
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If according to Dhamma, even mind does not exist by itself, what more can you say about consciousness? Consciousness (vinnayaana) is conditioned by Naama & Ruupa - it originates because of these conditions. If the conditions don't exist, consciousness does not arise. say a blind person has no eye consciousness, as the eye sensitivity is not present in him/her, which is a condition for eye consciousness to arise.
Quoting from an earlier thread in which I observed 'What continues is not Consciousness, not Feelings, not Perception, not Mental Formations, not Form (materiality) but just SUFFERING. Volitions or Kamma or actions conditioning a new birth(suffering), new disease, new aging, new pain and so on ending in 5 clinging aggregates. So no 'being' continues in sansaara but only suffering continues and to END this suffering was the essence of Buddha's teaching.'
If you are unable to understand this concept, go no further. This is the crux of Buddhism. Please read dependent origination - Mahanidaana suttra is a good beginning to understand 'no-self'. Buddha did reprimand a monk who advocated the idea of continuity of consciousness - sorry I am unable to quote that specific suttra. Consciousness arise and cease - cease absolutely - another arise and cease and goes on until the death consciousness. The volitions/actions of this birth conditions the re-birth linking consciousness (NOT THE DEATH CONSCIOUSNESS) of the next birth (Jaathi) and continues the sansaara cycle until we hit Nibbaana. This is a fantastic topic you raised - TheFound.
maybe my choice of terms is off, you know 'consciousness' was one of the 4 mental aggregates right? I don't really mean it in such a specific, 'WORD', way.
I mean it...like..... for lack of a better word..vocabulary issues on my part..
To the point fivebells!
Probably semantics - I quoted you on an appreciative way - that is you 'did really hit the point'. Confusions in Buddhism and in English! Blame it on both! and also on me.
I am here to help end suffering. Policing dhamma induces suffering.
TF is deeply confused, and looking in all the wrong places, but this is not idle chatter for him.
Who are you trying to reach here? My reaction, as a beginner, would have been "Quit telling me what to do, Polonius!"
Why? For whose sake?
If you actually understood dependent origination, you would know that practice leads to the end of becoming. You want to become a Buddha, conditioned on conditions? Ridiculous!
Again, what's your point?
This is not the purpose of this forum.
We are not here to either correct or teach. We are here to share, discuss, confide and support one another in the quest to End Suffering.
If you think you have a right to dictate that what you expound is the ultimate truth, and you think it's your duty to point out correct view...eliminate distortions and incorrect interpretations... then you're in the wrong place.
This is a place of comfort, unity, pleasure and engagement, not of bombastic black-and-white views. Sorry chum....
That is counsel, but again, it is an individual choice, not a dictated definite.... it's your opinion, but each must reach a decision for themselves, when ready.
It's not tangential, it's off-topic, and as such, irrelevant.
It warrants no response, because basically, it's not the place to threadjack and bring the discussion around to your view, when it's someone else's views we're discussing.
Threadjacking is impolite.
Just for the record.
Thanks.
Probably semantics - I quoted you on an appreciative way - that is you 'did really hit the point'. Confusions in Buddhism and in English! Blame it on both! and also on me. I think its time to wind up here.
am i right or what?
who cares if we (i) want to use concepts+words as tools to achieve a better understanding, if it increases by 0.000000000000000001% i'm super down like a clown charlie brown
Yes. Consciousness exists everywhere. You are never going to perceive anything without consciousness being present.
The fact that you are perceiving something means that consciousness is shining through. It's not waiting for anything. It's acting right now.
What the mind achieves are different perceptions and thoughts. All phenomena, including thoughts and perceptions, are the result of conditions and causes. As the conditions and causes change, the thoughts and perceptions will change also.
It is shining through.