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Is it possible to cultivate non-suffering if someone else disagrees - afterlife

JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
edited April 2010 in Buddhism Basics
We have a thread examining whether it is possible to be non-suffering ie peace happy truth if you do not believe in the afterlife...

My question is whether it is possible to be peaceful and happy if somebody else disagrees with you?

I think that it is but that at the same time it is easy to get a little riled up about the issue.

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  • edited April 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    My question is whether it is possible to be peaceful and happy if somebody else disagrees with you?


    I think yes, it is:) Though online, maybe not :p
  • patbbpatbb Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    My question is whether it is possible to be peaceful and happy if somebody else disagrees with you?
    peace comes from within you, not from other people.

    Nobody can make you angry, peaceful, sad etc... only you can.
    only you ever did, even if you never realised.

    you will understand this if you practice Buddhist meditation.
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    We have a thread examining whether it is possible to be non-suffering ie peace happy truth if you do not believe in the afterlife...

    My question is whether it is possible to be peaceful and happy if somebody else disagrees with you?

    I think that it is but that at the same time it is easy to get a little riled up about the issue.

    Good question, Jeffrey.

    I think it is possible to be peaceful and happy if somebody else disagrees with us.

    But I do not think is it possible to be peaceful and happy if we identify ourselves with our ideas, or if we are attached to being "right".
  • edited April 2010
    The issue is whether we find true tranquility in our beliefs. If we believe something, even without proof, and we're completely at ease with this belief and don't care what others think (and don't seek arguments), that's great; fantastic; super, thanks for asking.

    If on the other hand we only find contentment if everyone agrees with our belief, whatever our arguments consist of, then we can not find peace. True peace of mind only comes from letting go of the mind's grasping, its seeking of the world to fit with its conceptions and not the other way around.

    Beliefs (and in this, even disbelief is a form of belief) are attachments, and just as with anything else, there are varying levels of attachment. If the attachment is strong, it takes much more effort to abandon it. If it is weak, we may not even worry about it until we've made a lot of progress toward liberation already.

    The greatest hindrance, however, is in not being able to see that there is an attachment in the first place. That is our ignorance that leads to our dukkha.
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    We have a thread examining whether it is possible to be non-suffering ie peace happy truth if you do not believe in the afterlife...

    My question is whether it is possible to be peaceful and happy if somebody else disagrees with you?

    I think that it is but that at the same time it is easy to get a little riled up about the issue.
    It's possible to be peaceful and happy when someone else disagrees with you.
  • edited April 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    We have a thread examining whether it is possible to be non-suffering ie peace happy truth if you do not believe in the afterlife...

    My question is whether it is possible to be peaceful and happy if somebody else disagrees with you?

    I think that it is but that at the same time it is easy to get a little riled up about the issue.

    IMHO no which is why good Mahayanists believe we all have to get on the boat together.

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  • edited April 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    My question is whether it is possible to be peaceful and happy if somebody else disagrees with you?

    It depends who the somebody is and what the disagreement is about. If, for example, it's one of our children, or sibling, disagreeing on issues of ethics, like stealing, alcohol abuse, etc... we will naturally be somewhat disturbed. But, on the other hand, say... it's a member on a forum disagreeing with us on some intellectual concepts, then it's no big deal - it should not affect our peace and happiness. Well, this is how I see it.
  • patbbpatbb Veteran
    edited April 2010
    IMHO no which is why good Mahayanists believe we all have to get on the boat together.

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    what?

    Even tho i do not know much about Mahayana, this seem to be false as Mahayana would not be relate to Buddhism at all if your statement were true.

    No wisdom could be developed either.
  • patbbpatbb Veteran
    edited April 2010
    sukhita wrote: »
    It depends who the somebody is and what the disagreement is about.

    No.

    Like i answered before,
    Nobody can make you angry, peaceful, sad etc... only you can.
    only you ever did, even if you never realized.

    you will understand and come to this realization yourself if you practice Buddhist meditation.
  • edited April 2010
    patbb wrote: »
    what?

    Even tho i do not know much about Mahayana, this seem to be false as Mahayana would not be relate to Buddhism at all if your statement were true.

    No wisdom could be developed either.

    :confused:

    How so?
  • edited April 2010
    patbb wrote: »
    No.

    Like i answered before,
    Nobody can make you angry, peaceful, sad etc... only you can.
    only you ever did, even if you never realized.

    you will understand and come to this realization yourself if you practice Buddhist meditation.

    I take your point. But even as a practicing lay Buddhist it is not always possible to remain 100% happy and peaceful if someone close to you disagrees with you on something that might get them into trouble or endanger them in some way. There will be some immediate "dis-ease" but, as a Buddhist, one should be able to overcome this quite quickly.

    Again, I will agree with you that, once one attains a deeper level of realization into the true nature of things, one can remain happy and peaceful in any circumstances. Unfortunately, I and possibly many others like me, have not YET reached this level of realization. :)
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