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Dark night of the soul

skydancerskydancer Veteran
edited April 2010 in Buddhism Basics
what's your remedy?

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  • edited April 2010
    A good night's sleep?

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  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Tell that to my jaws.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited April 2010
    look at a river or lake or ocean

    remember that your friends who love you can see outside of space and time
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited April 2010
    I'm just sitting with it with interested curiosity. The sun is shining the birds are singing and nothing penetrates this gloom.

    Depression is such an imploded selfish state of mind.
  • edited April 2010
    When I'm happy I can't imagine what it's like to be depressed.

    When I'm depressed I can't imagine what it must be like to be happy.

    My own cure is to do something then it doesn't matter what state of mind I'm in,

    but at least I don't give myself chance to feel sorry for myself.

    The devil makes work for idle thumbs yada yada
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited April 2010
    When I'm happy I can't imagine what it's like to be depressed.

    When I'm depressed I can't imagine what it must be like to be happy.

    My own cure is to do something then it doesn't matter what state of mind I'm in,

    but at least I don't give myself chance to feel sorry for myself.

    The devil makes work for idle thumbs yada yada
    You've got a great sense of humor. Try and imagine some old stuck pair of tight jaws trying to laugh. Tickle me elmo.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited April 2010
    painting is easy. learn to paint; its just color. but the communication with your unconscious is priceless.

    Now you can buy all the fancy paints but personally I haven't figured out how to use those without all the colors running. Cake paints like for a kid cost about 10 dollars I guess. Watercolors and a watercolor pad for another 8 dollars.

    Anyhow I like to paint when I am depressed.
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited April 2010
    The last bad spell of depression I had I painted lotuses for the prayer wheel house. It really helped.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited April 2010
    I like to paint suns and flowers and trees. Water (light coming off or out of; riplles motion) and sky (imbued with color- oranges and pinks and mostly blues). Sometimes more energy and animation sometimes more limited isolated elements. Paint what you see in the room. The cat or dog (after a quick sketch sketchbook 8 dollars pencil 2-3 dollars). Paint something from a photograph or a memory. Let the paint flow it might not be able to capture your idea and you find a new idea on the fly! Paint a fly eating a drip of a bowl of icecream! Or trying to figure out how to get out of a window! Paint a land of insect men who live in tunnels....draw all of their accomadations in a pen or fine brush.
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited April 2010
    It all helps Jeffrey. Even just hearing about it.
  • jinzangjinzang Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Remember that feelings change. The way you feel today is not the way you'll feel tomorrow.

    Remember that feelings are unreliable. They are about us and our history and not the external objects we attach them to.

    Remember that feelings are voluntary. Our feelings are the result of our choices and by changing our choices sooner or later our feelings will change as well.
  • NamelessRiverNamelessRiver Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Yeah, moods have a shelf life.
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited April 2010
    This is right where you want to be, exactly what you've been training for. Open your heart to the experience of the depression, and celebrate it.
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Yahoo!
  • edited April 2010
    batman_by_funnylaughbughouse.jpg

    batman will take care of your bad mood like a CRIMINAL!
  • RenGalskapRenGalskap Veteran
    edited April 2010
    "Dark night of the soul" actually refers to something good. The phrase is taken from the title of a poem and a book by John of the Cross. John explains the title in this way:
    Appropriately, this constricted road is called a dark night, as we shall explain in later verses of this stanza. The soul, therefore, happy at having trod this narrow road from which it derived so much good, speaks in this manner...
    Here's the poem, which describes the dark night.

    1. One dark night,
    fired with love's urgent longings
    - ah, the sheer grace! -
    I went out unseen,
    my house being now all stilled.

    2. In darkness, and secure,
    by the secret ladder, disguised,
    - ah, the sheer grace! -
    in darkness and concealment,
    my house being now all stilled.

    3. On that glad night,
    in secret, for no one saw me,
    nor did I look at anything,
    with no other light or guide
    than the one that burned in my heart.

    4. This guided me
    more surely than the light of noon
    to where he was awaiting me
    - him I knew so well -
    there in a place where no one appeared.

    5. O guiding night!
    O night more lovely than the dawn!
    O night that has united
    the Lover with his beloved,
    transforming the beloved in her Lover.

    6. Upon my flowering breast
    which I kept wholly for him alone,
    there he lay sleeping,
    and I caressing him
    there in a breeze from the fanning cedars.

    7. When the breeze blew from the turret,
    as I parted his hair,
    it wounded my neck
    with its gentle hand,
    suspending all my senses.

    8. I abandoned and forgot myself,
    laying my face on my Beloved;
    all things ceased; I went out from myself,
    leaving my cares
    forgotten among the lilies.

    There may be something here you find useful. :-)
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited April 2010
    zeroing in on the nestle of sweet string cheese and ho hos I think...

    Ice-age heat wave, can't complain.
    If the world's at large, why should I remain?
    Walked away to another plan.
    Gonna find another place, maybe one I can stand.
    I move on to another day,
    to a whole new town with a whole new way.
    Went to the porch to have a thought.
    Got to the door and again, I couldn't stop.
    You don't know where and you don't know when.
    But you still got your words and you got your friends.
    Walk along to another day.
    Work a little harder, work another way.

    Well uh-uh baby I ain't got no plan.
    We'll float on maybe would you understand?
    Gonna float on maybe would you understand?
    Well float on maybe would you understand?

    The days get shorter and the nights get cold.
    I like the autumn but this place is getting old.
    I pack up my belongings and I head for the coast.
    It might not be a lot but I feel like I'm making the most.
    The days get longer and the nights smell green.
    I guess it's not surprising but it's spring and I should leave.

    I like songs about drifters - books about the same.
    They both seem to make me feel a little less insane.
    Walked on off to another spot.
    I still haven't gotten anywhere that I want.
    Did I want love? Did I need to know?
    Why does it always feel like I'm caught in an undertow?

    The moths beat themselves to death against the lights.
    Adding their breeze to the summer nights.
    Outside, water like air was great.
    I didn't know what I had that day.
    Walk a little farther to another plan.
    You said that you did, but you didn't understand.

    I know that starting over is not what life's about.
    But my thoughts were so loud I couldn't hear my mouth.
    My thoughts were so loud I couldn't hear my mouth.
    My thoughts were so loud.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited April 2010
    I know that starting over is not what life's about.
    But my thoughts were so loud I couldn't hear my mouth.
  • pegembarapegembara Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    I know that starting over is not what life's about.
    But my thoughts were so loud I couldn't hear my mouth.

    Everyone is talking all the time, only thing is only some are actually moving their mouths.
    :)
  • patbbpatbb Veteran
    edited April 2010
    sky dancer wrote: »
    what's your remedy?
    to just observe it like one would observe a storm outside through the window.

    If you get upset and go outside in the storm, swearing at it, getting drenched by the water, doing everything you can to make it go away, swinging your arms and kicking, asking "why oh why does this have to happen to me?"
    It just make the whole experience much much worse. And you might get strucked by lightning one day.

    I like watching the storms outside the window, the intensity, the rain falling hard, the whole thing.
    But there haven't been any in years now.
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited April 2010
    sky dancer wrote: »
    what's your remedy?

    Shrug your shoulders and say, "Whatever".

    Observe it, open to it, let it be, let it go. Do this with both attachment and aversion.
  • skydancerskydancer Veteran
    edited April 2010
    FoibleFull wrote: »
    Shrug your shoulders and say, "Whatever".

    Observe it, open to it, let it be, let it go. Do this with both attachment and aversion.
    That's the method I'm engaged in.
  • Quiet_witnessQuiet_witness Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Go out on a meditative walk. Talk off your shoes and feel the earth between your toes. That helps me every time.
  • edited April 2010
    Hi Skydancer I am sorry to read you are having a tough time.

    When I was little my mum told me that when she was young she went surfing (body not board) with her cousin. A rip (strong current of water cause by the tide) pulled them out far to sea. I am just going by what my mum told me so I havent actually experience this myself but she said there was no way they could get back. The strong current was between them and the beach. There were no life guards. So they just had to wait for the tide to change. That is to start going in towards the beach rather than outwards as it naturally does everyday. Luckily they had been going to the beach all their lives and had this knowledge. Anyway that is the best metaphor I have come across for my experience when I am feeling low. So I am sharing it with you although I dont know if it can have any meaning for you maybe you need to find your own metaphor. Lots of well intentioned people have given me bucketloads of advice over the years but I still keep coming back to this: I just have to wait this out becuase the tide always changes and it always comes back in.

    I have no remedies only some small ideas for comfort.
    Paint your finger nails
    listen to music
    read a favourite book
    take a bath or shower
    be very gentle with your self
    Remember we need the dark to see the stars
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Donate something of yourself to a needy and loving cause. Time is often the most rewarding. Many have found that despondency and charity are polar energies. The way I see it is that when you have an abundance it can bust out the bottom of your cup, pulling your emotionality down like a whirlpool. If you pour it out into another's cup, not only will your bottom heal, but your cup will reach a better equilibrium.

    Don't try to slap yourself happy, that'll only hurt your cheek. I smile when someone says "just meditate and it won't hurt" when someone has their hand on a stove. Remove the hand, then you might learn later where to put your hand or not, or how to approach fire without suffering.

    With warmth,
    Matt
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited April 2010
    I think meditation is for when you think that the kitchen is what burned you.
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Think of a puppy showering you with kisses and madly wagging his tail. It's impossible to be depressed when being licked by a puppy! :)

    Mtns
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