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Dzogchen

KonchokChophelKonchokChophel
edited April 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Isn't it better to practice Dzogchen immediately because Buddha/Dharma/Sangha are ultimately empty and refuge is in your own Buddhanature?

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  • DaozenDaozen Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Perhaps this should be in the Tibetan section?
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Its better to build a raft than attempt to jump clear across a river.
  • KonchokChophelKonchokChophel
    edited April 2010
    Which Tibetan section?
  • jinzangjinzang Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Dzogchen, like all other Buddhist practices, is a means to see the truth. It doesn't matter how high the view of Dzogchen is, if you can't comprehend it, it's not of any use to you. It's best to start with the preliminary practices, because if the preliminary practices are done with devotion, you will be able to understand the view of Dzogchen.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited April 2010
    Daozen wrote: »
    Perhaps this should be in the Tibetan section?

    You find it, I'll put it there......:confused::)
  • LifeIsSufferingLifeIsSuffering
    edited April 2010
    KonchokChophel wrote: »
    Isn't it better to practice Dzogchen immediately because Buddha/Dharma/Sangha are ultimately empty and refuge is in your own Buddhanature?

    Any practice you start immediately is great!

    The standard definitions for buddhanature/bodhichitta/and refuge itself are taken a bit differently in Dzogchen as far as I can tell. - which is the clear light nature of the mind with has characteristics of Radiance (all pervasive), Energy (movement of the mind), and Clarity (non-dualistic reflection).

    Where as a person could theoretically in other schools of Buddhism read by themselves and gain insight or "realization", the book I just read on Dzogchen implies you can't do anything without your teacher. I can't say there really are any "main points" in Dzogchen practice but if pressed I would argue that the first point the "direct introduction " (showing the student the clear light nature of the mind) is absolutely dependent on a teacher.

    So really there isn't a "practice" in Dzogchen its more of a discovery of your primordial nature - which has always been there. I also like how it is something you are to incorporate into each waking moment (akin to mindfulness) that includes practices such as yantra yoga (buddhist yoga of movement).

    Adimittidly the most difficult part for me a new set of terminology and metaphor which isn't part of any other school/lineage of Buddhism.
    I'm sorry if i wan't able to explain everything clearly. My reference point is "Dzogchen Teachings" by Chogyal Namkhai Norbu. If I could be of any more help don't hesitate to ask.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited April 2010
    Isn't it better to practice Dzogchen immediately because Buddha/Dharma/Sangha are ultimately empty and refuge is in your own Buddhanature?

    Your buddha nature is ultimately empty too! But it doesn't mean nothing is there literally
  • KonchokChophelKonchokChophel
    edited April 2010
    thnx
  • DaozenDaozen Veteran
    edited April 2010
    KonchokChophel wrote: »
    Which Tibetan section?
    lol sorry my bad! i was thinking of another forum ... not very mindful of me :rolleyes:
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