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Alien's and Dharma
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It is pretty likely that we are not the only intelligent life in the universe.
Assuming we are not, do you think that Alien's will be aware of Dharma?
Assuming we are not, do you think that Alien's will be aware of Dharma?
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It's all speculation though. For all we know, they may have much more conflict in the area of religion than we; they may have ten thousand different religions and base their entire culture (including many inhabited star systems and planets...) upon warring to determine which religions are supreme.
The more intelligent we humans have become, the more blind to reality. The more selfish. It may be just the same for other intelligent life, and so the cycle born of ignorance continues......
I guess my point was more that if Dharma is absolute truth of all beings (as I think it is) then shouldn't we expect sufficiently realised aliens to understand it, and follow it?
Not really bad in itself, it's bad when you give it weight beyond mere speculation. Like many chats on this forum, it can be just interesting to chat and chew the cud about.
Science can attempt to show you the truth, but it can not make you believe. That realization, that insight, is internal. Buddhism is a unique tool that allows us to bring our minds into such a state that there is no discrepancy between our perceived reality and reality as it stands.
Taking that further......if an alien civilization was much advanced in their sciences, but had no teacher in their history comparable to the Buddha, showing them how to know the truth for themselves, they may still live with knowledge that is greatly in accord with reality, but minds that are not. Minds that are still governed by the self.
Awakening/Enlightenment has its own conditions for becoming part of a species, and there's no way to know if those conditions would/will-have been met for extraterrestrials, no matter how much farther along they are than we.
Maybe... but one could argue that because Dharma is universal then like gravity and relativity it would be discovered at some point. If the Buddha hadn't discovered it, someone would have...
We have great imaginations, we humans. Therein lies the peril!
I guess the "safe" speculation is that that doesn't try to go anywhere;)
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Thats a pretty unusal claim! I for one would love to hear more about this:)
Yes I would love to see them!
i live across the street from some
and they're not aware of anything except their own bowel movements
They may have different meditation postures. For example perhaps the middle head is aligned with the crown feeling probisci. Whereas the left and right heads are aligned with the rear snaking pod and the gravometroplexus (fission based digestive locus) respectively.
Maybe the lawnmower man/skynet will be a dharmic entity?
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The middle head is never aligned with the crown feeling probisci. Once again you people are confused. And it's the novometrotplexus not the gravometroplexus..... DUH.
you don't know your flactus from a hole in the ground.
If you remove the alien element of it, and the "government are enslaving you), he sound just like a Buddhist.
So far many good advices to people in it...
Keep you ego in check for a second and give it a try, so at least you know what you are talking about if someone ever mention Pleiadian again
well my huge ego does have a little trouble excepting this Buddhist extraterrestrial from the Pleiades. If only I could put myself aside and open to their galactic wisdom.
Bye bye nutty thread
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." - Einstein
I've actually had the privilege to speak to this being and he is no fraud trying to get a laugh. He has been doing this for at least 4 years that I know of and has dedicated countless hours giving detailed responses to many different people's questions. Many of the things he says seem genuine as well.
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Are they scientologists?
Maybe Hubbard had a point.....
Jeesh.... really, I am trying so hard to keep a straight face.....
Failing miserably here.......
Aaaahh....are you the one who keeps mooning at us.....?
Are we in kindergarden here? Whats going on with the lack of Buddhist non judgemental attitude?
i said "give it a chance", put your ego in check for a while, listen to what he is saying... i didn't say that you must believe everything he says.
If you did, you would have found out that this guy have an understanding of the Dharma that most people here are very far from achieving.
And I don't know where you come from, but where i live this kind of understanding are not that common.
I found 4 possible explanations so far.
1) the space stuff is legit (okay, not that likely)
2) this dude was meditating without a teacher, figured out much of the Dharma, and went on a tengeant as to how to interpret certain things.
3) this dude was meditating without a teacher, figured out much of the Dharma, and had some kind of schizophrenia so ended up interpreting things in a weird way.
4) this guy want to start a sect, so he borrowed from scientology and Buddhism heavily.
5) this guy is a Buddhist who want to spread the Dharma. He figured out that people have a crazy interest in science fiction, in ufo's, scientology, in conspiracy theories etc... And he figured out a way to get these people interest by creating this story, and eventually spread the Dharma this way (I think this is the most probable explanation)
Be happy!
cheers
This has absolutely nothing to do with Scientology. I don't understand why any mention of aliens automatically gets associated with Scientology. I suppose if you said "New Age" you'd be a bit more accurate, but this guy is not New Age either.
Biological life forming on other rocks in space is not funny nor extraordinary. However, the Pleiadians actually predate the Earth human race. They were probably skeptical of our existence first.
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Ok, but why should we believe him?
I could say I have been contacted by probes from Uranus and they give me this message: "you are destroying your planet.. live in peace so that the galactic federation will accept you..."
Why should I accept this?
Personally I believe intelligent life is out there, most likely more intelligent and advanced than we are. They may be visiting us. But.....these people have no more credibility than someone who says they're talking to God. Some even sound like they truly believe what they are saying, but that could also be a mental disorder; others may be doing it for attention and yet others may be doing it in a strange attempt to actually illicit a change in human behavior for the better.
Should we proceed as if we believe someone is actually in contact with aliens from Pleiades or the Andromeda Galaxy? If we do that, we're certainly on the wrong forums. Making flat-out statements like "However, the Pleiadians actually predate the Earth human race." presents it as fact where it has not been established as fact.
If you want to believe, then believe, but this surely is no activity for practicing Buddhists. Consider me outta this conversation entirely.
Lack of Buddhist non-judgemental attitude? yes of course. Buddhist are non-judgemental of extraterrestrial cults. Oh sorry "cult" is Judgemental.
Doe and the folks in Heavens Gate just had their perspective thats all. How can we make judgements. maybe there was a space ship hiding behind the comet Hale-Bop. Jim Jones... hey were Buddhists we dont "Judge". Scientology, were Buddhists we don't "judge".
The spiritual teachings in that video are the market standard. The whole shtick of a special esoteric knowledge revealed to the world by the elect, Elohim, in one form or another, space aliens, Dwal Khul, Ramtha, Master helarion, etc etc. is market standard. Maybe these guys are relatively benign. Good for them I bet their homeworld is beautiful. But if "Meditation 101" includes indulging in this kind of stuff, then you aint teaching my kid.
But then thats just ego talking.
This guy seemed to believe in 'light beings' versus 'dark beings'... So my question is what motivation the dark aliens have to amplify negative energy. Sounds like Jedi and Sith which I don't find in buddhism. People are ignorant but they are all trying to be happy.
http://rael.org/rael_content/index.php
comme on now...
most people in the world believe in a bearded man in the sky, many of them believe that we went to school with dinosaures at some point.
Are we going to call them all nuts and ridicule their beliefs?
We invented the light bulb a couple of years ago in 1879, we only just begun to use computers.
Just now (this year) we manage to figure out how to program artificial dna and use this as a computer chip.
Can we accept that technology wise, we are still in our infancy?
And that other civilisations could possibly be tens of thousands years ahead of us?
By comparison, beliefs of a allmighty man in the sky is far less plausible and "nut" than beliefs in aliens visiting us.
ps: You seem to believe that because i pointed to the close mindedness of a judgemental attitude toward a belief, that it necessarely mean that i agreed or believe in such a belief. But it isn't so.
Just to set the record straight, I DO NOT have a belief weather aliens are visiting us or not. It seem highly improbable to me; but i've been wrong before
Be happy!
Take everything lightly if you aren't, it's only ideas, opinions and beliefs.
cheers
The belief in God is indoctrinated. A person who claims to have contacted aliens was not indoctrinated with the belief in aliens. BIG difference.
Also, you obviously haven't looked into the vast amount of research that has gone into ancient extraterrestrials. I highly recommend the works of David Icke (20 years of research) and Michael Tsarion (30 years of research). The extraterrestrial hypothesis is based on evidence, NOT preconceived notions or faith.
You clearly have been sheltered from the gathering mass of evidence for extraterrestrial intervention.
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ok I'll admit it...... Galactic government, and the Pleiades star cluster as a seat of Dharmic wisdom does not fit into my preconcieved ideas of buddhism.
Believing in a man with a beard in the sky is one thing. Believing you are the bearded man in the sky is another. Channeling aliens is quite nuts.
So..... maybe these guys are onto something?
Space alien spirituality is nuttier than Grandma's boring church. Way nuttier..
Ok, that is good to know. The real concern for all of us is this invasion of reptilain shape shifters anyway.
Alien stuff is fun.
It could be possible an angel is sitting right next to me but likewise I have no way to test this.
And I do find reading books about alien conspiracies *IS* indoctrination. Religions always say to have a free mind. Christians are urged to 'see the truth'.. same spiel as this alien dude. I always remember the song during the wafer consumption (forget whats that called) the song lyrics go 'taste and see'.
The very existence of government is wrong, so it ought to be opposed at all times, without being angry at it.
400 ex-government employees have come forward with their testimonies of government ET relations. It's called the disclosure project.
No it's not. Indoctrination usually happens when someone is raised to believe a certain faith or repeatedly told to believe the tenets of a religion. Choosing to pick up a book is not indoctrination.
I'm guessing you've never read a David Icke book. He starts off by telling the readers that he's not trying to get you to believe anything because everyday we are bombarded by people telling us what to believe. He says in his books that he's just presenting a compilation 15-20 years of research he's gathered over the years and attempts to do his own dot-connecting with the information. Then based on the evidence and facts he puts forth, he comes to his own conclusions. You don't have to agree with his conclusions, but the facts are presented in plain sight for you to make your own judgments. He has about 3 pages of sources after every chapter so if you don't believe him, you can look it up yourself.
Ha! What religion? Buddhism may be one of the few that do, but it sure ain't the Abrahamic religions.
"[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy" - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times]Colossians, 2:8[/FONT]
"Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding" - Proverbs 3:5
Btw, Christianity is the religion that convicts you of THOUGHT crime! (Commandment #10)
The alien wasn't just saying "see the truth" he was saying to look it up and find out for yourself.
Thats interesting to me.
I also don't share your distaste for christianity. I know many kind wonderful christians who have befriended me. Honestly I do share a distaste for the bible. I don't like god of the bible but I do like many christians. And I think Jesus redeemed God of old testament rather than mankind. Also I think you are overestimating the number of 'brainwashed' christians. Many are daring provocative independent thinkers just as you are. There are many interesting christians who are trying to be happy just as you are. For example I met this guy online (chatroom) who was kind of an ass you know preaching. But I found out that he had translated the entire bible literally and not in context. Which means he found direct translation words for each word of hebrew into english and then constructed a meaning from the english piecework. Normally the meaning would ascertained from the hebrew and then the english would be devised which captures the meaning. I think. Anyhow I was touched that he had worked so hard to do the right thing as he saw it. He had buddha nature I felt.
I never attacked Christians. I attacked Christianity and it's belief system. I too agree that there are many great Christian thinkers and am a fan of Lane Craig and Dinesh D'Souza. I also have many great Christian friends. However, that does not mean I accept Christianity on those grounds. In fact, I'm glad there exists in the world, intellectual opposition and conflict and I thank Christians for putting up such a fun battle because I thrive off of formal debate and intellectual discussions.
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Because many people believe in a impossible thing doesn't make it less "nutty" than a few people believing in a possible thing.
All i was saying is judging books by their cover is never good. never. no exception. ESPECIALLY if it look silly at first. That should be the first clue that one's mind is closed.
I remember a documentary where they ask an old lady about Buddhism and meditation, that lady said:"well, we don't want to have this witchcraft and black magic around our town!!"
Don't become that old lady
Who knows
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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The thread was asking more about the scope of dharma, rather than reality of aliens on Earth.
But what I don't get is why Buddhists would emphatically deny the spirituality of possible alien life. A denial which suggests that the 4NT's only apply to we naked apes.
With the blessing of eternal and universal dharma,
namaste
Actually I don't think it similar. Consider these statements:
These truths all seem true to me and, I would imagine, most Buddhists familiar with the human space program.
But we cant find any non trivial statements about God's existence.
I would imagine that if we were visited by dharma aware aliens (which I think many advanced alien systems would have to be) then yes, it could matter in good ways:)
This is not an unanswerable or pointless question. unlike like debates about god or an afterlife's existence.
No, nor mine at all. But if it interests me nonetheless. maybe if it interestes others they may like to chat constructivly about the possibilites!
Have a think on this question, it may be good for your understanding of dharma(And mine!): Would aliens, conditioned by the same eternal dharmic truths that condition humans, have a spiritual side?
namaste