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IMPORTANT, SEEK NO FURTHER, PLEASE READ
i speak not one word of a lie. an experience transformed this person today. an experience so profound, you would not believe it, until you experience your true nature yourself. Finally, i understand the teachings, and the way, and all that is meant by the metaphors and riddles. As Buddha said, samsara is the the cylcle of birth death and rebirth, and suffering is an inherent part of this. now, i was very frustrated all day, i came to believe that buddha was lying when he talked of reincarnation, as he also taught about anatta, that you do not possess self, and i thought how could this be? what reincarnates then? surely it can not survive death? that is because IT DOES NOT. reincarnation does not mean that something gets reincarnated after a person has died, this is the big mistake. if you look close, only the SELF is the thing reincarnating,
and not after death of a person, but during every conscious seccond of life! the ego is the thing reincarnating, it is the thing suffering, it is the thing attaching to desires, it is the thing that clings to itself, it is the only obstacle! oncy you exam thing thing you call 'self', you will see that it is empty! it is completely empty of everything it thinks it possess somehow. you must realise, everything you label as 'self' is constantly changing, constatly moving from one split seccond to the next, it does not have a permanent existance at all, in any form! excepting as the illusion of self that it creates! Words will fail to translate this to you all, I am perhaps very naive to try, but i feel that i must, you could all wake up, RIGHT NOW! this is nirvana! everyone gets to it, eventually, it just takes most people until death, in which case they never consciously experience it. the catch is that it must be maintained with mindfulness, already the consciousness is receiding and the ego is re emerging. this is because i believe i forced it much to fast without proper training and meditation, but i swear this message to be true, this is the key to understanding the teachings, please, wake up now! im not delusional, delusion is what clouded all that i had seen before. brothers and sisters, please, hear my words, test them for youself, if they seem untrue then may a million misfortunes come my way for being so naive as to think i could held change the world
and not after death of a person, but during every conscious seccond of life! the ego is the thing reincarnating, it is the thing suffering, it is the thing attaching to desires, it is the thing that clings to itself, it is the only obstacle! oncy you exam thing thing you call 'self', you will see that it is empty! it is completely empty of everything it thinks it possess somehow. you must realise, everything you label as 'self' is constantly changing, constatly moving from one split seccond to the next, it does not have a permanent existance at all, in any form! excepting as the illusion of self that it creates! Words will fail to translate this to you all, I am perhaps very naive to try, but i feel that i must, you could all wake up, RIGHT NOW! this is nirvana! everyone gets to it, eventually, it just takes most people until death, in which case they never consciously experience it. the catch is that it must be maintained with mindfulness, already the consciousness is receiding and the ego is re emerging. this is because i believe i forced it much to fast without proper training and meditation, but i swear this message to be true, this is the key to understanding the teachings, please, wake up now! im not delusional, delusion is what clouded all that i had seen before. brothers and sisters, please, hear my words, test them for youself, if they seem untrue then may a million misfortunes come my way for being so naive as to think i could held change the world
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great, so you got that insight; congratulation! :cheer:
i can see that it's an overwhelming feeling right now, so enjoy it!
but it will fade eventually; this to will pass
This is what most people refer to when discussing rebirth, so your insight will change the way you see karma as well.
read this:
http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books3/Bhikkhu_Buddhadasa_The_Danger_of_I.htm
But still a big portion of Buddhists still keep rebirth after one dies as relevant as well.
Your first realization of the truth of the Buddha's teachings is very exciting and overwhelming. But despite how special it seems, it's not unique. The experience will stick with you in one way or another, but eventually it will fade... it's really only the beginning of the path. So like Patbb said: enjoy it, but don't get too attached to it.
It's kind of odd to go from making that statement to linking to a Buddhadasa article given he also wrote: http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books7/Buddhadasa_Bhikkhu_Anatta_and_Rebirth.pdf
now corrected; thank you for pointing this out
This is a red flag, signaling that you have let a "realization" go to your head. As was already said, it is not special no matter how it seems. You are not special, these insights have been had by countless people countless times. It is not some kind of special secret. Find a mature teacher, or you will continue to be vulnerable to giddiness. Then you can integrate such insights.
panick attack and fear? what happened?
Yikes, *hugs* Hope you're feeling better.
Buddha was not lying and he did not speak of reincarnation.
He taught against the notion of a reincarnating self actually.
"Brahman: Yet thou teachest the non-existence of the soul! Thy disciples praise utter self-extinction as the highest bliss of Nirvana. If I am merely a combination of the sankharas, my existence will cease when I die. If I am merely a compound of sensations and ideas and desires, whither can I go at the dissolution of the body?"
Said the Blessed One: "O Brahman, thou art religious and earnest. Thou art seriously concerned about thy soul. Yet is thy work in vain because thou art lacking in the one thing that is needful. There is rebirth of character, but no transmigration of a self. Thy thought-forms reappear, but there is no ego-entity transferred. The stanza uttered by a teacher is reborn in the scholar who repeats the words. Only through ignorance and delusion do men indulge in the dream that their souls are separate and self-existent entities. Thy heart, O Brahman, is cleaving still to self; thou art anxious about heaven but thou seekest the pleasures of self in heaven, and thus thou canst not see the bliss of truth and the immortality of truth."
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/btg/btg54.htm
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Do you have a nikaya name or a name for that sutta please?
/Victor
It's from the "Gospel of Buddha" which has been described as according to SacredTexts.com: "the bulk of its contents is derived from the old Buddhist canon. Many passages, and indeed the most important ones, are literally copied in translations from the original texts."
Edit: It would be hard to find the actual sutta, especially given that the entire Tipitaka doesn't exist on the Internet. AccesstoInsight contains a small fraction of it. The whole Canon is 50 large books and I wouldn't expect it all to be on the internet.
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Quoting such passages to one who is almost certainly unsure of his footing, despite seemingly dazzling and positive experiences, is not helpful or constructive, as I don't believe as things stand, it's appropriate to consider he take in such literary material.
Furthermore, if you're quoting this from the work of Paul Carus, he has little credibility, apparently.
Don't bother replying to this post, either.
It's a Moderator comment, and as such, not up for discussion.
Namaste!
It is good to think in terms of just ordinary I and me. Just relax there guy. Just settle down because it sounds like you really need to just be grounded. Do you have friends and family you can talk to, because you need to take a break from spiritual stuff eh. Just go to store or something, really. Take a walk.
It is not only you learning from us I think many here are learning from you as well.
These experiences are much varried from person to person so it helps that people share.
Thank you and take care.
/Victor
Were you sober?
As a rule of thumb, I always like to check for a competent use of paragraphs before I go accepting yet another Tagatha!:p
talking about Jhanas, i believe you will recognize your experience.
In another book, "mindfulness bliss and beyond", he was referring more to the fear of dying; but i couldn't find a copy of it online.
hope this help
Hi fede,
May I ask how we know the difference? You often post discursively and it is difficult for me to tell the difference at times.
Thanks
Thats all that happened I think.
I used to use a different typeface, and frame it within red asterisks if my posat was - or contained - Moderator comments.
Since Lincoln removed much of the formatting facilities, I can't really do that any more.
Now, I have to count on people realising I'm a moderator, and understanding that while I participate as much as anyone else, I am still keeping an eye on the forum, and basically doing my job. In short - I never actually take my Mod hat off.
I believe Lincoln once pointed out to me that really, a Moderator shouldn't have to make separate announcements in "on/off" mode. Forum members should be mindful at all times of how they participate.
At least I'm not like a Mod on another forum, who will happily swathe through posts - and sometimes whole threads - and delete the lot if they happen to be something he disagrees with....!
Thanks for asking!
I agree.
Cameron, you have just opened the Dhamma Eye. The trick is how to keep it opened permanently.
All of the statements you have made are in accord with the Buddhist teachings, as far as I know, but it is not the case that people do not understand such concepts as Non-Self..... it is that they do not see it. To see requires conditions, and to see is the true start of the path where one knows the only road worthy of traveling upon.
The issue with a recurring ego is eliminated by following the path beyond sight, that is the path of transformation that leads to the unbound mind. That is the true Nibbana/Nirvana, and I would suggest that the thread-line 'SEEK NO FURTHER' is premature. This will likely occur to you before long.
I thank you for your compassionate post to help others, and I would think others thankful as well.
Namaste
Is there an emoticon for giving a raspberry?