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The poison of greed - a rant about gambling

BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
edited June 2005 in Buddhism Today
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/14/lottery.winners.fall.ap/index.html

It seems like when people win the lottery, it destroys their lives.

It also doesn't help all the millions of people that DON'T win. Some people spend hundreds of dollars a month on the lottery for nothing. And it's never the comfortable upper-middle class that plays the lottery, it's always the poorer people.

On that same note, go into a casino that's not in Vegas and the majority of the people you see are poorer, definitely not high rollers. A casino gets built in an economically depressed area like detroit, and the politicians and wealthy businessmen say "Oh it's gonna be such a great boost to detroit - millions of dollars a year in tax revenue" - without mentioning where the bulk of that money is coming from - the very people that the money is supposedly helping. Sure, the downtown area has a few new restaurants and some shiny new sidewalks. But the residential part of the city is still exactly the same.

I've been to a casino probably three times in my life, and each time I walked out with less money, and feeling very hollow and "used".

Comments

  • LincLinc Site owner Detroit Moderator
    edited December 2004
    My boss has mentioned this to me before. Winning the lottery wrecks lives all the time :(

    ...but if I won it...

    ;)
  • edited December 2004
    I'd really like to win the lottery for one reason:

    to see how many of these "friends" of mine who have brushed me off, ignored me, or treated me badly and recently decided to start ignoring me suddenly started calling again
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited December 2004
    Hey Camman... Uh... By the way... The, uh, cost of bandwidth just went way up... from Verio, it's crazy. They, uh, started charging me, like a hundred dollars a second per kilobit. So, what I'm trying to say is, uh, your hosting bill is gonna have to go up to like, $20,000 an hour. Sorry man. :(
  • edited December 2004
    In Illinois, the entire Lottery was to go to education... HAHAHA.... Right. Then when Riverboat gambling went through, a good portion was to go to..... Bingo, Education.

    I know that my home town, Aurora, was the 4th largest town in Illinois and running head long into a gang and drug town becasue the bad guys were leaving Chicago to the suburbs....

    When the river boat came.... the city was actually able to resurect the downtown, brought a college to the downtown, redid roads, created a swat team, anti-drug force, blah, blah.... But the average riverboat guest was lower income... bankrupcy in Aurora went up, so did domestic violence.... go figure.
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited December 2004
    sounds familiar.....
  • edited December 2004
    very good point brian...

    I have seen the exact same effect with the various indian casinos i have been to. Everyone there is so poor and they keep gambling their money away... its sad really.

    When I was in vegas a few months ago I lost about $30 and I would say that I didn't really mind it because it was such a small amount and I tried to have some fun but anything more than that would certainly be another story.
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited December 2004
    http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/21/whittaker.granddaughter.ap/index.html

    :(

    How can people not see this? Money and greed are just killing us all :(
  • edited December 2004
    after readng the article I fail to see the connection of money and greed with the death of that girl ???? Like I see that she was related to the guy who won the huge jackpot but since theres very few facts they listed I can't see how a conclusion could be drawn that it was somehow connected with having a lot of money, perhaps you could explain
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited December 2004
    I'm just saying that overall it seems as if this man's life has been utter shit since he won all those millions. Let's review:

    1) Constantly being arrested and investigated for drugs and alcohol offenses
    2) Constantly having his homes and vehicles broken into
    3) An 18 year old died at his house at a party. Under investigation
    4) His wife is miserable and wishes he hadn't won the lotto
    5) His granddaughter just died from an OD

    I'm not saying at all that the money caused any of these things. What I am suggesting is that he probably thought playing and winning the lotto was some sort of goal. Everyone seems to think "Wow... If I won the lotto, all my problems would be gone, I would be happy for the rest of my life"... And what I am suggested is- stop, look for a second, at the man who DID win.. Look at how much UNHAPPINESS is in his life right now.

    I feel sorry for him and his whole family.
  • edited December 2004
    I see your point, however, who's to know that these things would'nt have happened if he didn't win the lottery, all I'm saying is I don't think we can directly relate the unfortunate happenings with this guys life and the fact that he is now extremely rich, there are plenty of very rich people who do a lot of good and lead decent lives

    I also feel sorry that these things happened to him....but I don't feel sorry for him because he won the lottery, that just seems like a crazy thing to say
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited December 2004
    Oh, I'm not sorry for him that he won the lottery... I feel bad for all the things he's going through. Sounds like he's having a bad time of things.
  • edited December 2004
    Money doesn't buy happiness... if your life was crap before; the money just makes it more expensive crap... I think his money allowed him and his family to bring forth the hidden or dormant "vices". If they never had the money to just blow on drugs, but now they do.... If you could afford to try to drink an entire bottle of "Jack" at one sitting because the bottle was too expensive and you had a job to worry about.... but now you have no job and all the money you could ever need.... POOF... instant trouble.

    He has donated a few million, by the way... If I won the lottery, I would spend 25% and then lock away the rest so no one could get it. Live off the interest and donate a large sum, setup very strict trust funds, scholarships.... I have a hard time keeping one house of 1,800 sq ft clean.... No need to buy a house with 8 bedrooms or whatever, wouldn't want that many just to avoid having people stay....

    As with Ricky Williams, formally, of the Miami Dolphin's... he's broke. HOW CAN HE BE BROKE after all the money he was given? WASTED away... I just want to be comfortable and be able to provide for my family.
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    edited December 2004
    i guess a lot of money can exacerbate problems that already exist, true....
  • edited April 2005
    Gambling is an addiction but can be fun also if kept in moderation. It is only when people lose control and their greed takes over does it corrupt their lives.
  • edited May 2005
    It seems that the lottery winners all experience bad luck only because the media publicizes those stories. It's not much of a great news story when someone wins five-millions bucks and is...happy.
  • edited June 2005
    I visited my family in Canada over Christmas and my grandparents are real-casino goers.

    So, Seeing as his grandson's were of legal age my granfather decided to take the family down for a fun afternoon.

    Upon arrival everyone was handed a 20 dollar note in order to gamble.

    Being upon the path I saw the experience a good chance to practice my patience and I just walked around the casino and 'was' with my family. Smiling when they won and smiling when they lost.

    After a good three hours we walked out of the casino and I tryed to give the 20 back to my grandfather.

    "You mean you were in there for three hours and didn't gamble!"

    To which I (you guessed it) smiled.

    The reason I say all this is because:

    The level of suffering in the casino was high because the pepole in their have such a clear idea as to what constitutes a 'good' result and a 'bad' result. Further plowing themselves into samsara.

    Money itself is not negative - it is only the way we approach things that seem 'to give' them these properties. The properties are, in fact, ourselves.

    Dust on the no-mirror.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited June 2005
    "Money can' buy happiness.... but it can sure buy a top-quality, luxurious type of Misery....."

    And don't forget folks, it's not:

    "Money is the root of all Evil" but "The LOVE of money, is the root of all evil....."

    "Money Talks....."

    "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    Thank goodness we have a reasonable set of quotations to counter-balance this depressing little lot - !!
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited June 2005
    I lived in Las Vegas for almost 11 years. I have seen what gambling does to people. I decided about 3 years before I moved away that I was going to stop. I did except for a quarter here and there at the convienence store. I would lose the loose change and laugh and then leave.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited June 2005
    is that how you go your name....?!
    gamble.... lose....Laugh.....leave......scary, you are!!
  • comicallyinsanecomicallyinsane Veteran
    edited June 2005
    No my name comes from when I was 14 I wanted to own a comic book shop and call it Comically Insane. On my other forum I used it for business purposes but now people know me as Comic. It is my label, lol. You can call me Jason, too. People know me as both. Jason is my real name or my given label, lol. I am not past labels yet. I don't know if I really care if I get past them or not. :)
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited June 2005
    Our Lottery here, in the UK, is an additional tax, voluntary, of course, and bearing more heavily on the poor than on the wealthy.

    It is fantasy piled on illusion stacked atop delusion.

    The fantasy is the tiny possibility of winning. Our attention focuses in the future and a future based on "if....." rather than on the world as it is.

    The illusion is the illusion of money and the myth of the marketplace.

    And the delusion is that by buying a ticket I may avoid the First Noble Truth and my need to uncover and examine the roots of my suffering.

    And the powers-that-be collude with, even encourage this defilement.

    Thrangu Rinpoche speaks of the five poisons which provoke the obscuration of disturbing emotions: attachment,aggression, delusion, pride and jealousy. All five of these demon children of Mara arise in the gambler. How can we be surprised that addiction can follow?
  • edited June 2005
    There is a non-Buddhist yet equally apropos saying we have here: the lottery is a tax on people with poor math skills. I find in my wanderings many addictive personalities in the Buddhist world. I am contemplating if it is because they were seeking something to quench the fires of want and desire or if it is simply part of the human condition. I lean toward the seeker mentality because here is where my experience lies. I was always a hungry ghost it just took some time to know what it was I craved. :bowdown:

    ^gassho^
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited June 2005
    Could it be, Wolfscalissi, that you have looked into your own pain and discovered the roots of addictive craving? Seeking to extinguish them in yourself, for the benefit of all beings, you recognise them in those you meet. You see how they are trapped in their relative truths and they reflect your own back to you!

    And in extinguishing these formations, you model the beauty of stillness to them.

    bow8ja.gif
  • edited June 2005
    simon>"Could it be, Wolfscalissi, that you have looked into your own pain and discovered the roots of addictive craving?"
    absolutely. this is why I stated" where my experience lies!" As I have stated: I am a recovering addict I have been clean and sober for more than fifteen years now. but just stopping the abuse of my system was not enough. the craving still existed. and so I am here and at my local Zen center, reading everything I can get my eyes on. my mind is the root of my suffering. my comparative subject/object, egoic mind. seeking now as I do to dig with the shovel rather than have the shovel dig with me!

    ^gassho^
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited June 2005
    When the Buddha Shakyamuni understood that a slack string on a musical instrument palyed flat and an over-tight one sharp, he understood that true harmony lies in the Middle Way.

    Just so, I believe, in our recovery. We were the creatures of our addiction and then, insh'Allah, our addiction became our tool. But all that time, we remained attached to our addiction. We might believe that we can be free, we can have faith but only practice will transform those into knowledge. The day can come when we look at our addiction and watch it become what it has always been, a constellation of co-arisings, empty of identity.

    Only when we mix the egg with the lemon juice and beat in the oil, a drop at a time, do they become a mayonnaise. Anyone can do that, but it takes a chemist to analyse the resultant emulsion to re-establish its components. In my own life, I am finding, in glimpses, that my Dharma practice is the lab in which I identify and neutralise the ingredients. But I had to stop beating it first!
  • edited June 2005
    Hello, Simon. Welcome to the site.

    What you posted says almost exactly what I was going to post! LOL! As long as I quit complicating things, they turn out the way they are supposed to.

    Adiana
  • emmakemmak Veteran
    edited June 2005
    I know this is out of date, but I just found this thread. In Australia, we have social security, or 'the dole'. Last year and Aboriginal woman who live in the north west won several million dollars. she has lived off the dole all her life. The dole comes from taxpayers' money. Is this fair? I understand that she hasn't worked, but spent her dole money on lotto and won. WHAT THE? What do you guys think? Am I alone in my protest of this?
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited June 2005
    There is much about this story which is not yet revealed, Emmak. Apart from anything else, the amount that this woman put on the Lotto was, in effect, a form of taxation which subsidised other winners. I am not sure if it is a"good causes" lottery but she may also have been contributing to such causes.

    Until all the facts are in, are you sure that there is no envy in your anger?
  • emmakemmak Veteran
    edited June 2005
    No, not anger at all. I guess frustration at the way in which our welfare system works :)
    There are a lot of aspects to our system which leave a lot to be desired. Getting off the subject a little, childcare here is cheaper for women who stay at home and more costly for women who work....
    I can agree that is could be a good cause win...
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