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I achieved enlightement and lost it.
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imo you experienced a bliss state probably.
care to elaborate?
Even i'm not certain right now that i was enlighted, i just base on memories from this state, and i remember that i had no doubts about that back then.
How i felt towards my family and friends? I felt love, but not bigger than to any other part of nature. It's important, that this love towards nature - was simply mirror of my inner love to myself.
"I'm using the term I because theres no other way to express this in English on a forum. When you look to a Sangha you look away from enlightenment because you look away from the inherent truth of the true self. There is no Zen Teacher because Zen cannot be taught. It can only be realized.
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My experience was similar to his, but his attitude doesn't seems right. Once i was enlighted i didn't made any judges, i wouldn't probably even tell anyone that i'm enlighted, and that enlighted cannot be taught. What's kind of odd right now, i don't even think i was able to laught.
You can't 'un-learn' it.
Trust me - you think you were enlightened?
you weren't.
it's a non-reversible state.
It's like a lobotomy, removing all illusion and attachment.
You can't reverse a lobotomy.
you can't reverse enlightenment.
Mmm, delicious brains...
(Sorry for being OT, Hannibal Lecter is my favorite fictional villain) :ot:
Oops! I just saw you float past my window... I'll get the vacuum to suck you back in
Dont think you had it at all then.
I hate to burst your bubble, but this isn't rare. And neither is it enlightenment.
I'd colloquially term it more as an 'ahaah!' moment.
We have all, to some extent, experienced it, in one way or another.
The big caveat is to not latch onto it as deeply significant, important or mind-stoppingly final.
it's just an experience.
Learn from it, absorb its lesson, realise what it has taught you, apply it - and move on.
Hello:
My advice: You are doing things in reverse.
If u want to master some topic, dont start by reading what the last controversial author said about it. U start from the bottom.
Sentient beings are like many bubbles in a huge Bubble, where huge bubble is the enlightened one. Individual bubble has its experiences and knowledges, and its varies in every bubbles. Huge bubble in a samadhi nature awares that all bubbles are huge bubble whereas small bubbles normally discriminate and attach towards one another experiences and knowledges, and even against the huge bubble. Once a bubble is burst, it regained back the identity of huge bubble and Chan-love all bubbles naturally and unconditionally. When a small bubble openly claimed enlightened, the next moment, small bubble has to justify its proclamation by leaving the pseudo-physical form to enter enlightenment in the present of those who knew his proclamation, so that formal record is registered on the genuity of enlightenment, to benefit all future seekers and practitioners. Otherwise, proclamation of enlightenment beings without justification is contempt of dharma. :cool:
Well, that's a pretty major belief in Buddhism. We may not "know" for sure, but we can judge for ourselves by the depth of his teachings and decide whether they were given by an enlightened being or not.
Or several people. And years of verbal communication and writing and rewriting.
Well, I know. My stance is that when you question everything...it doesn't matter who said it as long as it makes sense.
No questions. You need a teacher. No teacher, no enlightenment.
Learning Buddhism from Osho's books... hmmm...
Hehe... I wants me some of that stuff you're on...
In this instance, I agree a teacher would be most helpful to stay on-track and not come to incorrect conclusions.
Yes! Because we are constantly asleep, when we wake up for brief moments, it all seems so amazing! But enlightenment? Not yet, grasshopper...
I didn't knew anything about enlightement before i achieved it, neither about eastern philosophy. I never meditated (and that's actually true even for now, not only before enlightement); atleast not in the way you understand meditation.
Teachers cannot bring you neither closer or farther from enlightement.
Path to enlihtement cannot be shown, because you are unable to understand it unless you follow it.
The only way anyone could help you achieve it, is by loving and trully accepting you; someone trully enlighted never would told you to be openminded, mindful, or whatever. You would never heard any kind of advice, you would just feel his acceptance and love to whatever you feel or want to do.
But from what i read my words are meaningless, your faith in what you believe is so strong that it seems impossible to argue with.
One may ask why teachings cannot bring you farther from enlightement;
Path to the truth runs trought lies. Being free from illusions doesn't comes from rejecting them, but from trully accepting them. Only fully accepted illusion can fade away.
This is also good time to explain what meditation is; it is not state of clear mind; it is simply state of thinking about what you really want to think, without forcing or evading particular thoughts; ultimately meditation will be state of clear mind, but as i sais before it doesn't comes from trying to make it clear, it comes from allowing it not to be clear. Now knowing that it's easy to seek clear mind by allowing it not to be clear, but it's just forcing yourself to do something you don't want to in order to achieve something. Having clear mind or being enlighted is not the purpose, it's not something to seek for; it's just final effect.
Oh....
Shush now.
I think that's quite enough.