Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Examples: Monday, today, last week, Mar 26, 3/26/04
Welcome home! Please contact lincoln@icrontic.com if you have any difficulty logging in or using the site. New registrations must be manually approved which may take several days. Can't log in? Try clearing your browser's cookies.

Am I making people more miserable

FenixFenix Veteran
edited December 2010 in Buddhism Basics
I have no friends per se. I used to, but I stopped drinking etc. and being "fun". Anyway I have cut people off and after awhile I contacted a couple of people, so I thought that if they suffer like everyone else, maybe I can be a nice person in there life.

What seems to be is I make people more miserable. Why? :(

Comments

  • What makes you say you make people more miserable?

    Thing is Fenix, these people from your old world maybe too lost in craving and unskillful behaviour, and might not really want to be reminded of such as it were. I'm finding a similar transition, even with relationships such as with my wonderful wife.

    How have you found giving up the booze?
  • What makes you say you make people more miserable?

    Thing is Fenix, these people from your old world maybe too lost in craving and unskillful behaviour, and might not really want to be reminded of such as it were. I'm finding a similar transition, even with relationships such as with my wonderful wife.

    How have you found giving up the booze?
    Maybe its not right to say giving up when you think of people who are 40 or older and drink everyday and are alcoholics. Im only 20 and so on. I dont know, Im so pumped up to feel something else than what so far has been that I havent had really time to think about it. I havent smoked, drinked in year and a half.

    I think I make people more miserable well cause no one wants to talk to me :D And well just a second ago one of these people just said they hoped they had never met me :( And thats ok, I just dont know what to do to make them more happy in regard of my effect on them, it being negative at the moment
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    Find a Sangha and take refuge in them. Sangha are good friends :)
  • Find a Sangha and take refuge in them. Sangha are good friends :)
    This is the only Sangha available to me :(
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    Find a Sangha and take refuge in them. Sangha are good friends :)
    This is the only Sangha available to me :(
    That is a shame friend But it is better then nothing. It is important to remember that when embarking on the spiritual path we need not abandon our old friends but just our unskilfull actions one may no longer wish to drink but it certainly doesnt mean we cannot visit the public house with our friends and have some lemonade ;)
  • me too!
  • Find a Sangha and take refuge in them. Sangha are good friends :)
    This is the only Sangha available to me :(
    That is a shame friend But it is better then nothing. It is important to remember that when embarking on the spiritual path we need not abandon our old friends but just our unskilfull actions one may no longer wish to drink but it certainly doesnt mean we cannot visit the public house with our friends and have some lemonade ;)
    thats what I thought in essence that I dont need to abandon my old friends, and I did that a few days ago and I dont know, people want me to be there puppet and when I dont they get angry
  • FenixFenix Veteran
    edited December 2010
    Im a pretty depressed guy anyway, I think Ill just bring people down in the long run, and if I dont want that, Ill just have to succumb to there social standards.

    EDIT: I kind of thought that people would realize whats going on, but it dosent seem to work that way. The opposite, people think Im doing something crazy :D
  • I shouldnt have befriended anyone. Again the same thing is happening, Im spiraling into depression about people frivolity and complacency. No matter how many times I point out that we all die and its not a happy ending if you do nothing, people just dismiss it as "its then" and "it wont matter when your old". So sad :(
  • Don't be too hard on yourself Fenix. Remember, the only thing or person you can change is yourself. Concentrate on that
  • O´ I wish I was just as ignorant as the others
  • No sir. You are fine. Breathe and be content. Fenix is fine brother.

    With Metta
  • IMHO, as long as you keep telling yourself these things and continuing in this miserable frame of mind, you probably will continue to make yourself miserable and those around you as well.

    Have you considered entertaining thoughts of possible positive outcomes of this transitional period in your life? How hard will it be to find new friends that behave more positively? How hard would it be to question the underlying assumptions that underlie your present attitudes and feelings and actions? There are alternative scenarios that are not miserable at all.

    The main theme in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is that feelings arise from things that we tell ourselves about situations. Can you use mindfulness to notice these feelings when they arise, notice the underlying incorrect assumptions, and call these underlying incorrect assumptions into question, and replace them with new, more positive ones?

    I certainly am not the first to compare mindfulness practice with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, but I think it may be worth a try in your case. From where I sit, you are digging yourself into a hole of negativity with your thoughts, and you can dig yourself out of that hole in the same way.
  • It may be that some form of Mindfulness practice combined with medication might help if you are genuinely depressed?
  • How hard will it be to find new friends that behave more positively?
    I dont want new ones, I want the old ones to be better. i know they will wound up sad when there older and I am so sad because of that. if I practive hard will I be able to change them?
  • You cannot change any other people, you can only change yourself. Concentrate on that.
  • If I practice hard, will some of that maybe rub off to other people?
  • How hard will it be to find new friends that behave more positively?
    I dont want new ones, I want the old ones to be better. i know they will wound up sad when there older and I am so sad because of that. if I practive hard will I be able to change them?
    No. If you practice hard, you still will not be able to change other people. Other people can only change themselves. I can understand your wanting your old friends to be better, but that's beyond your power to control. You can only change yourself.

    Practice has nothing at all to do with changing other people. It has to do with changing yourself and the way you relate to reality. It's regrettable that your old friends act that way, but it's true that you cannot change them.

    I wish you well.

  • It may do but that shouldn't be the focus of your practice. It's a tough one really. It'd be wonderful to change people, or help them onto the path. I can't but help myself doing it sometimes, but, it isn't really the thing to do. I have to resist trying to convert my wife to buddhism even...

    Your practice should be for it's own sake I think...
  • ok thank you
  • Don't take it to heart about your other friends. As you become to find yourself at peace with yourself, the actions of you (so-called) friends will matter less to you.

    I wish you peace brother
  • edited December 2010
    Well Fenix, you can take a little heart to know that, when I was reading your posts, it was as if you had written some of my thoughts down. I think we miss some of our party experiences, which seemed like such fun with all those smiles and laughs (but I remeba a bit of 'hidden pain' mixed up with all those smiles too).

    Measure for measure, I enjoy more: life without the booze, and though it gets a little bit tough now and then (sometimes really really tough, right?), it is soooo much better than all those lies and 'booze misery games' that *are part of the drinking scene*.

    The whole depression thing is going to disappear for you Fenix... this is the promise of the Buddhas, and I also wholeheartedly believe this.
  • I make wishes that I can help people.
  • Verse 61. Do Not Associate With The Ignorant

    If a wayfarer fails to find
    one better or equal,
    steadfast he should fare alone
    for a fools no fellowship.

    But, isnt everyone ignorant until they attain enlightenment? Thanks for all the responces, I have found them really helpful
  • Verse 61. Do Not Associate With The Ignorant

    If a wayfarer fails to find
    one better or equal,
    steadfast he should fare alone
    for a fools no fellowship.

    But, isnt everyone ignorant until they attain enlightenment? Thanks for all the responces, I have found them really helpful
    No, that's not so. Some are relatively advanced on the Path and their company can be very beneficial. The quote itself says "one better or equal", which should be clear enough as it stands. The point is not associating with people whose company is in no way beneficial on the Path, or may even be a hindrance.

  • Verse 61. Do Not Associate With The Ignorant

    If a wayfarer fails to find
    one better or equal,
    steadfast he should fare alone
    for a fools no fellowship.

    But, isnt everyone ignorant until they attain enlightenment? Thanks for all the responces, I have found them really helpful
    No, that's not so. Some are relatively advanced on the Path and their company can be very beneficial. The quote itself says "one better or equal", which should be clear enough as it stands. The point is not associating with people whose company is in no way beneficial on the Path, or may even be a hindrance.

    Thats everyone I have met and know, excluding one and two, whom I dont know what they do now
  • FenixFenix Veteran
    edited December 2010
    This girl right now. She wants to see me. She tells me thats she misses me. I tell her I dont want anything to do with her and face my karma?

    EDIT: I know these kinds of questions are pointless and have nothing to do with the goal.

    Dosent matter. I told her already
  • Friend. I bet you already know the answers you seek. Its sometimes a case of listening to your self, even though there is no self, if you see what I mean. What I mean is, listen to your heart not your head.
  • Leave past friends in the past.
    If you've gone away from them, there is a reason.

    If they contact you, be kind. Nothing says you don't have to, but then again, nothing says you have to.
  • Bodhgaya is right.

    I left all my old friends 4 month ago after starting my cultivation. I am feeling much better for it whenever I remember how negatively we were all influencing eachother.

    This would give you a fresh start for you to meet better friends that takes your life in a positive direction.
  • Verse 61. Do Not Associate With The Ignorant

    If a wayfarer fails to find
    one better or equal,
    steadfast he should fare alone
    for a fools no fellowship.

    But, isnt everyone ignorant until they attain enlightenment? Thanks for all the responces, I have found them really helpful
    Of course if you find one which is better than you, they will have nothing to do with you because they read the same verse. Just kidding.

    OK. Half kidding.
  • Never give up on anyone in your heart. Is my motto. Even when I think they hate me. Of course I don't like that treatment and I go out of my way to avoid useless painful situations.
  • You should lighten up. You are taking all this too seriously. I can feel your pain because I am in the same situation. Also have problems with my previous lifestyle and now choosing the new path. Take it as it is. Expect that you will fall on your way sometimes. Do the best you can on your Buddhist way but stay human. If a girl invites you and wants to see you what is there a problem. You don't have to become a hermit. You accept her invitation and have a good time. Life is passing away fast so enjoy. Take care.
Sign In or Register to comment.