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First time

edited December 2010 in Buddhism Basics
I'm going to attempt my first meditation tonight as the wife is going out to dinner. Any tips?
Daz

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  • Are you aware of the breathing technique involved? That's the basis of it. What resources do you have to guide you--DVD, a guide's instructions, anything?
  • B5CB5C Veteran
    Start small. Find some music or time that is like 5 or 10 mins.
  • I'd suggest just sit, just be, and just abide... (yes, for about 5-10 minutes)

    Don't worry about "clearing the mind" or, meditating on any specific goal or reason... Just sit, just be, and just abide... Let your mind wander, don't become fixated on thoughts. Just recognize the thoughts that may arise and think of something simple to describe the thought like "chair" and move on...
  • I've got nothing. I might light a candle.I have done some Mindfulness exercises, and lots of breathing stuff in hypnosis. Thought i'd just jump in and see how I get on!
  • Good point about starting small; your first goal should be 5 minutes. Once you progress to being able to maintain concentration for 5 minutes consistently, you can move on to 7 or 10 minutes, and eventually to 20 minutes. This process can take months for some, so don't expect instant results. Just relax and do the best you can. But you won't get anywhere without first doing the deep breathing technique. That helps shut off the "busy mind", it calms the system so you can concentrate.
  • When you sat maintain concentration, what do you mean. Aren't you supposed to just breathe and observe your monkey mind?
  • I've got a Buddha machine that I was going to meditate to and set my iPhone for 5 minutes? Should I just try to do it once in an evening?
  • I'll be the one to say it.

    When you start meditation... Get rid of ALL electronics, turn off everything that is distracting, and just sit... Try not to worry about how long you've been meditating, how much longer you need to meditate, or anything like that.. Just sit, and just be. It's that simple
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    edited December 2010
    "Thought i'd just jump in and see how I get on!"
    _____________________________________________________

    That's about what I did a long time ago.

    Still, if you want a couple of pointers, http://mro.org/zmm/teachings/meditation.php gives a pretty good outline of Zen meditation techniques.

    Congratulations. Just remember the tried and true adage: There are only two things to remember: Begin and continue.

    Best wishes.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited December 2010
    You'll see better results if you use the proper breathing technique, which is designed to quiet the chattering mind by turning off the sympathetic nervous system (the stress cycle), and switching on the parasympathetic nervous system and inducing a calm state. See basic instructions I gave on the breathing technique on the "How Do I Make Myself Believe?" thread.

    "Following the breath" means visualizing the breath as it enters the nasal passange, passes through the larynx and the chest, and pushes down toward the belly. (Your chest should not rise and fall, as with normal breathing; rather, your belly should rise and fall. See instructions on the other thread re: pushing the breath down into the abdomen with the diaphragm.) Pause at the breath's lowest point, then visualize it S-L-O-W-L-Y rising back up through the abdomen, past the chest, etc. and exiting through your mouth or nose. Push the last bit of air out of your abdomen, pause, and repeat from the beginning. You can give the breath a color; some like to imagine it's golden sunlight, others, silver light, or you can give it your favorite color. This helps with the soothing and calming process. Keep your thoughts on the breath. If they wander, just bring them back to the breath. The goal, as stated on the other thread, is to slow the breath as much as possible, to just 2 or 3 breaths/minute. This keeps the nervous system, and the mind, calm and conducive to an ideal meditative state.

    I hope this helps. (Or did you already learn this in your hypnosis work?) Good luck. Let us know how you did. :)

    P.S. They say once in the morning (you could probably fit in 5 mins. when you get out of bed) and once in the eve. is best.
  • Most people don't get high the first time they smoke weed. I wouldn't expect much from the first 5 minutes of 'meditation' either. In fact, I would recommend that you not even go into this thinking you are meditating. Sitting and watching the breath is not mediation; it is a path leading to the meditative state, which has nothing at all to do with sitting or not sitting.
  • Good point about starting small; your first goal should be 5 minutes. Once you progress to being able to maintain concentration for 5 minutes consistently, you can move on to 7 or 10 minutes, and eventually to 20 minutes. This process can take months for some, so don't expect instant results. Just relax and do the best you can. But you won't get anywhere without first doing the deep breathing technique. That helps shut off the "busy mind", it calms the system so you can concentrate.
    This. +1 :)

    I use my iPhone when I practice, but just as a timer. There's a free app called "Meditation" (creative, huh!) that lets you set timers with some nice tibetan ringing bowls as a chime.

    I did 5 minutes of sitting for many weeks until it felt too easy (kinda like working out physically). Now I do 10 minutes, with a short chime at 5 minutes to remind me to refocus if I've gone off into the weeds.
  • Thanks for all your input and help. I sat for 5 minutes initially, using that Meditation app by the way. It went ok. I noticed some background noise as thoughts but nothing took over too much. The first five mins seemed too quick so I tried another five, but by the end of that my knees, back and ankles started to really hurt. I must take up yoga as well!

    I will continue tomorrow!

    P.s' yes I have been using a similar breathing technique from hypnosis training!

  • P.s' yes I have been using a similar breathing technique from hypnosis training!
    I've read recently that meditation is a form of self-hypnosis. What do you think? Or is it too early to tell?
  • It's a bit early to tell, but from what I can see / tell, the deep breathing does something very powerful to the body / mind. When I've got time to type it ask me about our hypno-birthing experience!
  • I've read recently that meditation is a form of self-hypnosis. What do you think? Or is it too early to tell?
    That sounds like a good topic for a separate thread. I myself have never heard of meditation being a form of self-hypnosis, but I guess that depends on how you define both meditation and self-hypnosis.
  • edited December 2010
    We may have just the right person with us (Dazron) to discuss it with, as a sort of expert witness. We'll give him more time to experiment with the meditation, first.

    But if I stop and think about it, it begins to make sense. For example, meditation techniques are used to help people heal from cancer (visualizing pac-man gobbling up the cancer cells, visualizing healthy cells), Medicine Buddha meditation is used for health purposes. Aren't Chenrezig empowerments used to stimulate the practitioner towards a more profound compassion practice? There may be something to the self-hypnosis connection.

    I just looked up self-hypnosis on the internet. www.wikihow.com/Perform-Self-Hypnosis includes in its instructions a link with a site on meditation techniques. Their full instructions contain many elements common to meditation. I think we're on to something. :)
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited December 2010
    It's a bit early to tell, but from what I can see / tell, the deep breathing does something very powerful to the body / mind. When I've got time to type it ask me about our hypno-birthing experience!
    Is that like Reichian breathing, where one regresses to re-experience one's experience in utero, and in the first months/year or two of life? It was Graf who popularised that, wasn't it? Emerson, in California, is big on that, too. Are you a psychologist, Dazron? Emerson has demonstrated that the technique can be used to heal all manner of illnesses, including Type 1 diabetes. He has doctors' affidavits documenting spontaneous healings taking place after Emerson's sessions. But the breathing technique is different from that used for meditation and relaxation.
  • When you sat maintain concentration, what do you mean. Aren't you supposed to just breathe and observe your monkey mind?
    Nope, just observe your breathing.
  • Guys I'm not a psychologist but I used to be a psychiatric nurse and i have a Psychology qualification. I am now an Ad Man for my sins :)

    I do have lots of experience with hypnosis though. I will gather my thoughts and take some time to think about this and start a new thread about it. I've only meditated once though!
  • I've only meditated once though!
    That was yesterday. Today's another day, another meditation session (anyone can squeeze in 5 minutes somewhere during the day). By the time you start your thread, you'll have more experience. And since you already have experience with the breathing technique, you may make good progress. We're cheering you on. :)

  • I just finished! Ow me back! I badly needs a zafu and some yoga or something!
  • If your knees, back and ankles hurt after 10 minutes of sitting, I highly recommend finding a different posture. I'm not sure what you were using, but you may want to try Burmese style. Make sure you have a cushion to elevate your butt, which will help straighten your spine.

    If that's too tough, maybe just sit in a chair.

    A comfortable, but alert, posture is very important.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited December 2010
    I just finished! Ow me back! I badly needs a zafu and some yoga or something!
    You can meditate lying down. The important thing is that your spine be aligned, and when you're lying down, it is aligned.

    Sitting in a chair is also good. Or you can use a sofa cushion as a zafu.

    Congrats on your 2nd session. hang in there. :)
  • edited December 2010
    I meditate standing up crouching down waving my arms like a windmill.
  • I get so tired of supposedly humorous rude comments on this site. :(
  • I get so tired of supposedly humorous rude comments on this site. :(
    I second that. I wish the moderator could do more about those. I suppose only blatant flaming or potentially inflammatory discussions get moderated off, but it annoys me when I click open a thread in hopes of finding something reasonably intelligent and it's a supposedly humorous rude comment.

  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited December 2010
    I meditate standing up crouching down waving my arms like a windmill.

    Yoga can be a good meditation practice too, yes. :) OR Tai Chi or Qigong too :)
  • edited December 2010
    Were you referring to my comment? It might have been meant to be humorous, but it was not meant to be rude.

    Why do you view it as rude?

    It is actually a pretty accurate description of my daily meditation practice. I have been reluctant to practice sitting meditation since developing a prostate issue from my cushion. So, I modified my meditation to be one of standing.

    I start by crouching and imagining pulling energy up from my taint area and circulating it up and down my body. I move my arms to help with the visualization. Once I am 'primed' like this, I can enter states of concentrated absorption.

    But you think this is rude, me describing my mediation practices?


    Seeker gets it. Perhaps rudeness is in the eye of the beholder. Seems to be a theme here today.



    So, you that have not responded: Would you have had my comment moderated now that you know it actually describes my personal meditation? And that it is ultimately a response to a medical issue that was preventing me from practicing my sitting meditation? A sitting meditation that I had grown accustomed to and enjoyed immensely and was suffering in the absence of?

    Will you be so quick to call a comment rude next time?


    And, now, I am going to meditate while standing moving one leg after the other and swinging my arms. I do this once everyday too. Others might call it walking.
  • Upalabhava- you of all people do not normally post rude things. In fact, I have never known you to post rude things at all. But please look at the post the way it sits in the first place. There is no explanation in the first post about your meditation technique, and please understand how it could be taken out of context. If the entire explanation had been in the first post, describing your health issues and how you attempt to generate energy, then there would have been no question.

    This is in the context of other posters who are fairly blatantly rude when they attempt to be humorous. This is the first time I've seen anything from you that could even be remotely considered rude.

    I myself apologize for any misunderstanding.
  • I posted to be humorous, something I find sorely lacking on this site. I think what might be keeping many on their cushions for so long is the stick up their rear ends! I hear it can be removed by laughing.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    After 40 years of it, I can sympathize: Ankles, knees, back, hips ... ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch! And the physiological stuff pales in comparison to the openings of the mind. It's an ouch-y business, no matter how sweet the words may be. ... "Just relax, no need to bust your ass, you can meditate anywhere since true understanding is never absent ... etc. etc."

    And who knows, maybe that sort of encouragement helps some people. But my experience is that the only thing worse than the painfulness that can be experienced in meditation is the painfulness that can be experienced without it. Anyone who sets out on a Buddhist path does so, in one sense, in order to revise a lifetime's worth of habits. How could that fail to be painful, irritating, infuriating, sorrowful, confounding, ridiculous and a host of other messy things?

    As a knock-kneed person, I will attest to the physical discomfort... big time! But my experience has been that finding a stable position in which to sit is part and parcel of what it takes to outflank or come to terms with or clarify this hip-hop mind. I don't think there is any cookie-cutter, one-way-suits-all way in meditation. Each makes his or her way through a personal thicket and the more serious the person is, the more searing the pain can be. I don't advocate some high-brow masochism, but I am a fan of the truth and the truth seems to me to be closer to, "Yes, it hurts. Yes, it's joyful. Yes, it's profound. Yes, it's shallow. Yes, it's whatever you want it to be. Do ... it ... anyway! Despite what you want."

    Just noodling.

  • Sherab Dorje gave a good explanation of how a one-liner with no context can be easily misunderstood. I, too, was surprised to see an off-the-wall comment from Upalabava. Thanks for the explanation. I've seen much worse on this site, including crude language or references, knocking someone's post or an entire discussion, but couched as humor. We should all bear in mind that the written medium is prone to misunderstandings, and make an extra effort to be clear in our writing.

    Truce?
  • Of course there can be a truce!

    I admit it was cryptic, but I left it that way to invite a dialog. I wasn't going to tell my story unless asked to, or pushed in that direction.
  • It was a good story.
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