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Wanted: An Universal Religion without any Dogma and Prejudice!

Hi! Though Jewish and a boyhood in an orthodox environment, an adult me had long ago shed his orthodoxy and developed an open and pragmatic mind. However, I retained the pride of my heritage. It bothered me that throughout the ages my people had been unjustly held in low esteem, be it in writings or in movies or in paintings with Judas and Shylock leading the pack, -- the descriptions of their actions lacking evidence or rational analysis. Hence when I read about Judas' action as depicted in the ebook: I, THY SAVIOUR, I felt vindicated. The narration is rational and convincing when one tries to visualize Jesus' love and compassion and the circumstances happening then.
I write this here because with whatever little I had read about Buddha and His teachings or watched the few interviews of Dalai Lama on TV or come across a couple of short acquaintances of Buddhist Faith, I feel that the whole humanity must shed all the dogma and prejudice to be at true peace with itself.

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  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2005
    Welcome Steven;
    In truth, I believe that's what all of us would like. But unfortunately, even those wishing to practise Universal Compassion and Unconditional Love, are subject to the cycle of samsara unless fully Enlightened.
    I personally am striving to shed all things which hold me back.... when I attain world domination, I'll let you know. I'll need a Number Two to help me attain complete obedience from, and control of, Humankind, and knock some sense into it!!:crazy:

    Until then we'll all just have to keep looking, and doing our best.....!:grin:
    Nice to have you here!
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited November 2005
    Hello Steven of the long name... Welcome.

    You know, I was going to post something here regarding Judism(sp?) (JudAism ;) ) - but I couldn't find the right area to put it - since it really wasn't about Buddhism.

    Anyway, we all know about WW2 and the atrocity against the Jews. But, I never really sat down and read about ALL the crap Jews (is that term politically incorrect?) have taken for centuries.

    I was watching a show about the Plague and how it devastated Europe. It showed how it moved throughout Europe wiping out up to 60 to 70 percent of some cities population.

    What was interesting and what I didn't know is that eventually, all the God-fearing "Christians" at the time finally figured out the reason the Plague was killing everyone... it was the Jews fault for not believing in Jesus and killing him.

    So... what did they do? They started rounding up Jews and killing them. Sometimes 2,000 in a single day in a single city!

    It's amazing the crap that people come up with.

    Anyway, glad to have you here.

    -bf
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited November 2005
    Shalom Steven,

    Welcome to our community.

    :)

    Jason
  • edited November 2005
    Hi! Thank you a bunch for your replies. Could anyone explain why there is 'ism' in Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism, and could be many others but it is not Christianism (Christianity) or Islamism (Islam)?
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited November 2005
    Probably just proper English.

    I still don't know what to call people from Idaho.

    Idaho's?

    -bf
  • edited November 2005
    Welcome! I agree that all of humanity should shed all dogma and prejudice, however, I doubt that will ever happen! It sure would be nice, though.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2005
    buddhafoot wrote:
    Probably just proper English.

    I still don't know what to call people from Idaho.

    Idaho's?

    -bf
    Idahano either....:D
  • edited November 2005
    I think that they are called Idahoans if I am not mistaken.:scratch:

    Adiana:eek2: :scratch: :winkc:
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited November 2005
    Imaho.

    Yes I am.

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2005
    :o :wow:
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited November 2005
    I thouht Idaho's name was Duncan!
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited November 2005
    I thouht Idaho's name was Duncan!


    Maybe his ghola....?

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2005
    OK, now I am TOTALLY lost..... 'Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas any more....."

    ...And while we're on the subject ..... post-771-1128845776.gif.......why 'Kans-ass' but 'Arken-saw' -???
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited November 2005
    Don't worry - Elohim will get it.

    -bf
  • edited November 2005
    I think that a Universla relgion without dogma or predejuce would be great, but if it where to happen christians will think of it as part of the AntiChrist's plan for decieving the world.
  • edited November 2005
    buddhafoot wrote:
    Imaho.

    Yes I am.

    -bf


    Naughty, naughty, naughty, Buddhafoot! LOL! :eekblue: :D

    Adiana :D :wow: :wtf: :usflag:
  • edited November 2005
    "Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity"

    - Albert Einstein
  • edited November 2005
    I think that a Universla relgion without dogma or predejuce would be great, but if it where to happen christians will think of it as part of the AntiChrist's plan for decieving the world.

    Thankfully NirvanaNoob not all Christians are the same. Fundamentalist Christianity is not genuine Christianity.
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited November 2005
    *Warning! Heavy use of Wrong Speech!*


    Shai-hulud Dorthy,

    That tornado damn near swept you clear to the other side of Arrakis! You and Maud'Dib best hitch a ride on the nearest Guild ship the hell outta here! Awww... s**t, here come the Saudukar! AHHHHHHH!!!! RUN!!! RUN!!! BACK TO THE SEITCH!!! THEY'RE DEPLOYING THE ATOMICS!!! - crunch - S**t guys, a sand worm just ate my leg!!! Oh the humanity, the humanity!!! F*** the spice, tell Stilgar he's on his own!!! Peace...

    Although, Toto did go on to write the soundtrack.

    ;)

    Jason
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited November 2005
    See?

    I knew Elohim would be all over this.

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2005
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  • edited November 2005
    I agree with your sentiments totally. Have you had a good look at democratic socialism. It full of human failings but I truly believe it's unrivaled in its approach to world capitalism.
    Bit flimsy on the life of death thing though...?

    HH (non buddhist)

    ps would probably be a Buddhist but have not got a clue as to what most people are talking about on here.
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited November 2005
    :)
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2005
    Would probably be a Buddhist but have not got a clue as to what most people are talking about on here.

    I think you have more than a clue, HH, don't do yourself down.... ;)
  • edited November 2005
    I sent the club a wire stating,

    PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION.
    I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB
    THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER.

    Groucho Marx
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited November 2005
    HE also said:

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."

    Many a true word said in jest....;)
  • edited November 2005
    Sorry, I haven't read any posts on this forum, just the title and I want to say:

    FAT CHANCE!
    Eveyone feels different, some believe in God, some don't, some pray, some don't, some drink, some don't, the list is endless. We may at some time achieve a time when there is no predjustice, but as for the Universal Religion, never. Some people change religions, as Buddha taught, nothing is permenant. You cannot have a universal religion. It wouldn't work.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited November 2005
    Whilst I would like to see an end to exclusivity, prejudice and dogmatism, I would fight a "Universal Religion" tooth and nail.

    I love diversity and difference. I don't want a "McDonald's" religion which varies not a jot from Azerbaijan to Zanzibar.
  • edited November 2005
    buddhafoot wrote:
    Maybe his ghola....?

    -bf


    Which one?
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited November 2005
    I can't remember if they changed with each new ghola or remained the same. I'm going ot have to read those books again.

    -bf
  • edited December 2005
    Whilst I would like to see an end to exclusivity, prejudice and dogmatism, I would fight a "Universal Religion" tooth and nail.

    I love diversity and difference. I don't want a "McDonald's" religion which varies not a jot from Azerbaijan to Zanzibar.

    Good point! I too would like to see an end to prejudice and dogmatism rather than having a universal religion.
  • edited December 2005
    A universal religion? Not to be a downer, but I don't know if that will ever happen. People are too stuborn and think that their religion is the right one to even look into others... most people of course. Others who really care about religion and enjoy learning will learn about other relgions and even pratice them (not really converting) to understand them.
  • edited December 2005
    Sometimes, often times, too many times... religion becomes a competition between people. Once that happens, I think a wise person would recognize that there is better path; if not for all, at least for himself.

    I believe altruistic kindness/compassion is a universal religion and most of the world religions have elements of that inherent in their teachings. I view these common denominators as the universal religion. The more people that practice them the better off we and the world will be.

    The complexity and vastness of the human mind requires differences, differences are not bad things, they are expected things. I live and promote the best of our sameness. I believe this is best for me and the people I come into contact with.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited December 2005
    Hunt4life wrote:
    Sometimes, often times, too many times... religion becomes a competition between people. Once that happens, I think a wise person would recognize that there is better path; if not for all, at least for himself.

    I believe altruistic kindness/compassion is a universal religion and most of the world religions have elements of that inherent in their teachings. I view these common denominators as the universal religion. The more people that practice them the better off we and the world will be.

    The complexity and vastness of the human mind requires differences, differences are not bad things, they are expected things. I live and promote the best of our sameness. I believe this is best for me and the people I come into contact with.

    To make a graden, you need various types of flowers, shrubs, hard landscaping, etc. A stretch of land on which only one type of flower is grown is not a garden, it's a nursery.
  • NirvanaNirvana aka BUBBA   `     `   South Carolina, USA Veteran
    edited January 2006
    Whilst I would like to see an end to exclusivity, prejudice and dogmatism, I would fight a "Universal Religion" tooth and nail.

    I love diversity and difference. I don't want a "McDonald's" religion which varies not a jot from Azerbaijan to Zanzibar.

    Good enough, Simon, and so far as that statement goes, I agree. I've also read your 30 Dec entry, but want to comment on this Universal Religion stuff. Firstly, "Universal" does not necessarily entail uniformity. That would indeed be tedious. I mean, just look at all the beautiful various church chants that have developed: Bulgarian, Anglican, Scottish harmony, Caribbean, Gullah, Coptic, etc. What a loss it would be, just culturally speaking if the reformation had not happened! Not to mention the wonderful Byzantine and Mozarabic chants, the Jewish chants, the Indian vedic chanting, and on and on.
    Not Uniformity at all, but Union or Communion!

    And I know you know this, Simon, but I'm writing in a public forum here, the word "catholic" in the Greek means both universal and broad. "Her tastes in music are catholic; she loves jazz, classical, Baroque, Renaissance, rock & roll, Indian music, and bluegrass, but is especially fond of piano music, once known to listen to Beethoven piano sonatas for 36 hours straight."

    And having a universal religion does not entail that everyone would be required to follow it or belong to it, either.

    Indeed, religious leaders should be broad-minded, as should all peoples everywhere. Did not Lord Buddha and the Lord Jesus both teach others to accept "sinners" (People who either did wrong in the past or were alleged to)? Were they not broad-minded? I like what you say about respecting the lawns and gardens and woods of the real world, and not replacing them with a nursery (whether mentally or other), but I don't think that's really what's at issue.

    Sometimes I think the great religious movers of the world may just have been, as-it-were, super-gifted writers who were so full of real concrete ideas that they could not write. OK, so Jesus wrote in the sand once, but we have no record of Buddha, Mohammed, Ramakrishna, Zoraster, or their ilk sitting down and writing a thesis. Mark Twain was great, Plato, Emerson, Thoreau, etc. But outside Jose Ortega Y Gasset, I've never heard of a writer getting people to the state they couldn't sleep for the thoughts going through their heads. These great sages were like THE-GREAT-FORCE-WITH-US while they were with us, or at least for that time. I plead ignorance to how far their power or any mysterious power can possibly exert itself in time, if time can really be said to exist in itself.

    (Above I used the phrase, "Concrete Ideas." That may seem to be an oxymoron, at first glance. However, if you've ever gone without sleep for days at a time, you get a glimpse of how things might look to an awakened mind, and a "concrete idea" seems like a valid concept. I mean, these great souls see so many wonderful connections and are so full of the marvels of the universe that their being ends very far beyond the barrier of their body's skin. They are AT-ONE with the Universal source or spring.)

    In fact, to the degree that there are already religions out there that are nondogmatic and encourage people to think for themselves, while at the same time teaching us that we are all members of one human family and are here to help and love one another, there already is a universal religion.

    To me it's more of a question of WHICH BRANCH of the universal religion you want to belong to, or how many you wish to try to keep up with.
  • edited January 2006
    Hi Friends,
    I read through the ebook, I, THY SAVIOUR once again, more slowly this time, and I think I have developed my own answer:
    An universal religion must not attempt to eradicate customery practices, as long as those practices do not violate the basic tenets. When it comes to relations between men and God, one should adhere to the pure form of one's own religion, not the syncretic form. When it comes to ordering the relations between men and his neighbors - how we live in society - each grouping has different needs and customs.
    Thank you all,
    Steven
  • edited January 2006
    Which then would not be universal as it leaves Buddhism and Jainism out entirely, as they have no need of concepts like relations between men (sic) and god.
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