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Some Questions...

edited December 2010 in Buddhism Today
Well, here goes...
Firstly, What exactly IS a Buddha, or for that matter, any Arahat??? Well, is it just a state of mental being they experience??? Or is it something else?? Is it something like magical?? We know they won't make mistakes(in this sense)... So, is that no-mistake-making capability voluntary or involuntary??? That is, if they are about to do something wrong, or if they know they will be wrong if they do such an action, is it voluntarily that they will stop themselves, or is it like they won't have any knowledge of themselves and "automatically" they won't do wrong??? That is, what exactly is the difference between me and an enlightened being(still in human form)?? Is it just that mind-setting, or something more mystical than that?
And secondly, we know that a Buddha is not led by any teaching... The same is said by Jains for Jinas or whatever they call them... So when both start off at the same point, how is it that they end up in different places??? And which can I take to be the "real enlightened master"?

Love And Light,
Nidish

Comments

  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    A Buddha is someone who is awake. That is fully cognisant of all phenomena, and their origin.
    Whatever they do is what they do. The evaluation of whether it is 'right' or 'wrong' is your evaluation, not theirs.

    A Buddha is not led by teaching because he has already been led by teaching, and now no longer needs teaching.

    What's your point in this?
    Always ask yourself, before posing cryptic questions of this nature, what the answers will do to enhance and uphold your Mindful and skilful practice.
    So that's what I'm asking you.
  • edited December 2010
    @Federica I ask this question because I need to be sure that I am in the correct path - I need to know how the Buddha arrived at this Dhamma... I want to know whether I will also awaken in this manner if I become fully determined and don't follow any previous way and go towards discovering my path & goal... And i also want to know why another religions are formed and people follow it if it really is THAT OBVIOUS that they are absolutely impractical - why people still believe in their faiths... And the answer will just give me a reason(I need one-I AM VERY IGNORANT) to follow this path... My intellect knows THIS DHAMMA IS IT, but my mind is not obeying... I just need some help... So please help me sort this out...


    Metta,
    Nidish
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    @Federica I ask this question because I need to be sure that I am in the correct path - I need to know how the Buddha arrived at this Dhamma... I want to know whether I will also awaken in this manner if I become fully determined and don't follow any previous way and go towards discovering my path & goal... And i also want to know why another religions are formed and people follow it if it really is THAT OBVIOUS that they are absolutely impractical - why people still believe in their faiths... And the answer will just give me a reason(I need one-I AM VERY IGNORANT) to follow this path... My intellect knows THIS DHAMMA IS IT, but my mind is not obeying... I just need some help... So please help me sort this out...


    Metta,
    Nidish
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2010
    I think you need to relax.
    Hyper-analysis causes paralysis.
    By all means question the things that come to you, but don't be anxious.

    Do they sit well with you?
    Adopt them.
    Do they not sit well with you?
    leave them be.
    Do they continue to perplex you?
    Leave them aside for the time being.
    In time, they may be answered, in time, they may never be answered.

    In my experience, it is this third category of questioning that is usually mind-bending and vexatious one. This is the one that makes us falter, stumble, be diverted and distracted and lose sight of what we are truly meant to be doing.
    The category of imponderables is our biggest hurdle.
    Your questions come from this category.

    My advice to you right now, is to not focus on what the Buddha is, or had to do.
    My advice is to Study the Four Noble Truths, The Eightfold path and the Five precepts.
    Therein lie all the answers you need, and all the guidance you require.

    You need to drop these questions, because there are no immediate answers that would help you put your best foot forward.
    Follow the path he has given you; don't think about waling the same one he did.
    Sincerely.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    Hi Nidish -- Let's suppose you know how to play the piano and I don't. I come to you and say, "Tell me how to play the piano ... how do I know that I have it right...how do I know that you as a teacher aren't a complete phony ... how do I go about making the same beautiful music you do?" If I asked such questions, you might talk yourself blue in the face trying to 'help' me understand, but how much would I really understand? Not much, I'm afraid.

    In the same way, trying to get an intellectual handle on Buddhism can have its limited uses (it's inspiring, perhaps), but it remains limited and second-hand. Buddhism is not a second-hand business. And it is not limited to intellectual or emotional understandings. Instead, like playing the piano, all of us have to sit down and put our fingers on the keys ... actually do something that will prove in experience what others say with their mouths or type on the internet.

    Are you any different from a Buddha? Nope. But saying so is not enough. It is only enough when you are who you truly are ... a Buddha, no big deal. Still, it is likely to require some practice -- some actual-factual DOING -- in order to realize or actualize your true nature. If the intellect can't grab it and the emotions fall short, what actually works? Nothing sexy, nothing mystical, nothing holy ... just, WHAT WORKS?

    The practices of Buddhism such as meditation and others are simply suggested ways of experiencing WHAT WORKS. Those practices require patience and courage and doubt -- determination and constancy. How do you know they'll actually work? The honest answer is, you don't ... it's a crapshoot. But since all the other ways you have tried to assure some peace have not proved effective ... well, why not give it a whirl?

    Take your time. Don't try to be a wise man before you know what wisdom consists of. Be gentle but firm. Just vow to find out what works and then ... practice the piano.

    Best wishes.

  • Don't dwell on questions but examine them in a light hearted way. No question is wrong but the frustration of trying to pin down an imponderable is what causes a struggle. The struggle is not the problem, but there is a layer of thought saying no to your experience. This is the awakening heart recognizing another possibility.

    You are experiencing emotional tension because you are unsure of the definition of a buddha. When traveling between states there is always confusion.
  • @Federica I surely will do...
    @Genkaku Nice example there..
    And guys, can you tell me how YOU deal with it when these questions prop up?

    Metta,
    Nidish

  • And guys, can you tell me how YOU deal with it when these questions prop up?

    Metta,
    Nidish

    Your questions are all ultimately about the buddha, a man who may or may not have existed, and about the nature of enlightenment, which may be mystical or mundane or something in between. Personally, I don't see such issues as relevant to my practice:)
  • What about the one when you comare two religions?
  • What about the one when you comare two religions?
    I don't follow?
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    What about the one when you comare two religions?
    ___________________________________________________

    Compare all you like ... it's like tires trying to gain traction on ice: The important part is what you are willing to DO to find out if something is true ... and then be on your way.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2010
    @Federica I surely will do...
    @Genkaku Nice example there..
    And guys, can you tell me how YOU deal with it when these questions prop up?

    Metta,
    Nidish
    They don't with me.
    Or if they do, I dismiss them as a distraction.
    The point may come at a future time when they become an appropriate focus. Until them, they're wasting my time.
    What about the one when you comare two religions?
    Why bother, what's the point?

    Everything will have aspects which will leave them open to question.
    if you don't intend following them (and I personally would advise against the 'mix 'n' match, pick 'n' choose course of action) then there's little point in your comparing them.
    Focus on that which you wish to achieve.
    You have enough on your plate to begin with, without incorporating other conundrums to deal with....


  • Nidish I also pretty much agree with Federica +1

    It just struck me that federica was giving a method perhaps different branches. My method is formless meditation. I have found it a great resource in my life. The idea of formless meditation is to work with a light touch and let things be as they are and see the spacious of things as you let go outward. The inbreath signifies that you don't have to do anything and you totally let your awareness go naturally. Then return to the practice of the outbreath noticing that thinking is thinking.

    Outside of meditation theres the squeeze but at least you have a glimpse of calm sitting through what comes up. And an openness and freshness you align to. By letting your consciousness diffuse and not fixate, a creative response naturally bubbles up. These qualities of mind are named as clear, luminous, and unimpeded. The heart sutra points to this truth and it is known as the prajna paramita.
  • What about the one when you comare two religions?
    I don't follow?
    We know that many religions exist... But we can't say ALL OF THEM are impractical... But that, too can be accepted... But what if another religion was formed in THE SAME WAY as Buddhism was??? I am speaking about Jainism... By "formed" I mean re-instature....
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