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  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited December 2005
    Was it fiction? In my book, there ain't no such thing as a free ride....;)
  • SabineSabine Veteran
    edited December 2005
    Nope, this was a true story. The author's name is Adam Gopnik, and he was a writer for The New York Times, if I'm correct.
    I guess he got off REALLY lucky that time, then.
  • edited December 2005
    I have 2 quick points to make here

    1. I have a seizure disorder, I have had to work hard to be able to do my job as a nurse.
    I have been on many meds over the yrs and struggle all the time with the bad side effects of all of my meds. But on the other hand, I dont know what would happen to me if I were not able to keep my job which give me the health insurance that I need to probably stay alive and a productive member of society. There is NO way my husband could work to keep my household together. We have 2 teenagers at home, 1 in college and 2 more teengers who are with us every weekend. My husband would need to work 24 hours a day, just to feed us and pay basic bills. This would not cover any of my medical bills. Guess what?? We would make enough money to keep me from being able to have any type of help with my medical bills from the govt.. Bring on the healthcare for everyone!!!!

    2. I have worked with the state dept of health. part of my job was counseling for birth control. How about taliking to a 12 yr old pregnant with her 2nd child. Her parents didnt care she was having sex with a 20 yr. the child was removed from the home. Obviouly I think all females need to have some tupe of counseiing before having children..You guys asked for it. My 2 cents worth. You go Yogamama!! :bigclap:

    charla
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited December 2005
    I think all 12 year old girls need to have their knees glued together or slapped upside the head by a parent who cares to make sure they

    don't get pregnant.
    finish school
    participate in sports
    get a college education
    and enjoy their life as a child.

    Ay!, second child at 12!?!?!!? I can't imagine.

    -bf
  • edited December 2005
    my sentiments exactly!
    but welcome to the world I see.


    charla
  • edited December 2005
    If anyone wants to get on the subject of US welfare, I am studying it in college. There were some comments made earlier about people not working and wanting a free ride. I wanted to let you know that for the most part that is not the case.
    Minimum wage is too low, cost of living is too high, the poverty threshold (income amount figured to determine if a person is living in poverty) is way too low because it is using a tactic from the 60s. Aside from that, many people on welfare are punished if they do find a second job and make some more money. Of course they still can't afford to live & support children based off of their income alone, but welfare is cut and then they are worse off- all because they tried to make some more money to live. The problem is that even with welfare many people cannot afford to pay all of their bills & have food everyday. Most of these people live paycheck to paycheck and juggle their bills (skip paying this one this month & another the next month). It is sad that our society punishes these people for being poor, and when we think we are helping them with welfare, we are not helping them enough to get out of poverty.
  • edited December 2005
    Our "system" is so screwed up.

    bf - 12 year old girls should be taught to respect themselves, rather than having sex with a 20 year old man who doesn't care about them. Sex at 12 years old???!!!??? I was too busy playing sports and hanging out with my girlfriends!
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited December 2005
    Yoda,

    True. I believe it is a parents job to "raise" a child. I was somewhat obscure in my post but...

    Girls who just stay in school and participate in sports are statistically:

    * Less likely to get pregnant as a teen.
    * More likely to seek higher education
    * Less likely to stay with an abusive partner

    And these are just statistics from girls that participate in sports.

    Boys and girls should be taught to respect themselves.
    Men that have sex with 12 year old girls should be imprisoned.

    -bf
  • ajani_mgoajani_mgo Veteran
    edited December 2005
    Blame it on Darwinism.
  • edited December 2005
    Why would you blame that on Darwinism??
  • edited December 2005
    Indeed, please explain Ajani.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited December 2005
    I think Ajani may be alluding to the "biological imperative" which demands procreation.

    From my own experience, I am convinced that a multi-modal approach is essential in tackling the problem of teenage parenthood. There is a lot of evidence that BF's points about school and sports are instrumental. Good, clear and unambiguous, ongoing sex education with free, confidential advice availability empowers young people. It can hardly be started early enough.

    It is a sad fact that, alongside improvements in how we approach pevention, the problem will not disappear and would appear to be a growing problem We may want to unpack the socio/psycho/spiritual causes but we will still have a very practical problem to confront.

    Society as a whole is going to have to take a hard decision and keep revisiting it periodically. In the UK, at the heart of World War II, the government commissioned a report on eliminating povery. The result, in 1942, was the Bveridge Report. He said
    'Social insurance fully developed may provide income security; it is an attack upon Want. But Want is one only of five giants on the road of reconstruction and in some ways the easiest to attack. The others are Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness.'

    Six years later, our National Health Service was launched. Whatever the problems being experiened today in the NHS, the principle that the attack on the "five giants" is at the heart of the struggle to "make poverty history" remains true. Beveridge's strategy was to place the responsibilty for co-ordinating and delivering the aim on the shoulders of government. Today, we appear to be returning to a pre-Beveridge model where Health Care, Education, Good and Affordable Housing, and Employment are in the hands of private owners.

    In historical terms, post-Toynbee, I would suggest that the Beveridge/socialist model is "pharaonic" whereas the private model is "feudal". I am not sure which of these two models delivers the greater happiness to the greatest number but I am sure that they have been in conflict for as long as we have historical evidence.
  • edited December 2005
    It is sad that many people in the US want to get ride of sex education in schools. I know many people that feel schools should teach abstinence only, and some schools here where I live actually do. There is one such high school I know that teaches abstinence only, and a teenager that went there became pregnant at age 16 because she did not know about proper birth control practices. I think in order to end teen pregnancy, it is important to teach teens about the risks of having sex and teach them about proper birth control methods so that if they do decide to have sex anyway they can at least be safe.
  • edited December 2005
    Well said!
  • ajani_mgoajani_mgo Veteran
    edited December 2005
    Yeah I was trying to show that it's the parent inside us...

    Personally I don't think adults should pretend that we teens don't know a single dammed thing about anything and not teach about anything.

    Teach everything! Damm it! No one's asking for a live demo! (LOL!) Just the facts! :)
  • edited December 2005
    We have a global problem called overpopulation, this is at the root of all of these issues. I live in South Africa. In our society you are either a have, or a have not - with not much else in-between. I have grown up with none of the safety nets that are mentioned in this thread. If you are wealthy enough to have medical aid and you will survive a medical crisis. If not, you take your chances at our overcrowded state hospitals, if you are really ill you will not last long. Retirement is not even going to be an option.

    We need to CONSUME - use up the oil, cut down the trees, poison the seas - the sooner we break it all down the sooner we can start to build a world based on compassion and intelligence.

    If you do not believe in reincarnation ask yourself where all the animals have gone? Our cruel world is about to get even crueller as the balance is restored, so work on your karma there are going to be more cockroaches and fewer people soon.
  • bushinokibushinoki Veteran
    edited December 2005
    That was well said indeed. It is funny, how the people who argue the most that we are more than animals, neglect to mention that many of the practices we have in common with other sentient life on this planet become more refined because we are a higher order intelligence. We eat cooked food, with much consideration given to taste, and have a more complex structure to our social heirarchies. The act of mating is no different, in that the intimacy factor must be given more weight, since we are also on the verge of total overpopulation. Sex Ed is neglected in most of the world, whether you speak of first world or third world nations. In fact, only a handful of nations have full sex ed programs in their schools, and these nations are the ones who are drastically overpopulated or on the verge of overpopulation (eg, Europe and East Asia). If anything, we should be teaching moderation to our youth, not a specific viewpoint.
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