4 noble truths

Vincenzi

don't forget the rāga part, I don't crave sensual pleasures; nor do I actively seek them

it is more than just "seeking" them. it includes "delighting" in them; enjoying them

for example, i do not mean to sound rude or silly, but without rāga, how does an erection of the penis happen? :scratch:

also, the Buddha said it is impossible for an arahant to partake in the sexual act. what is your opinion on this? thanks

sutric reference missing.

Vincenzi

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The origin of suffering, as a noble truth, is this: It is the craving that produces renewal of being accompanied by enjoyment and lust :nyah: , and enjoying this and that; in other words, craving for sensual desires, craving for being, craving for non-being

Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta: Setting Rolling the Wheel of Truth

you fail at languages 201 ::

"the craving that produces renewal of being accompanied by enjoyment and lust"

craving + enjoyment + lust

enjoyment by itself is not "evil".

Hubris

@DhammaDatu : You're obviously well-versed in Buddhism, and very intelligent, however in may of your posts you seem to be talking down to and/or condescending to people - myself included in another thread...though that was loosely disguised as a compliment. Maybe that comes from your extraordinary knowledge of things Buddhist, and your frustration to teach it as you understand it, however a little humility does go a long way.

Perhaps you do not realize you are doing so, and after the "Tone" thread which was subsequently closed, it may behoove all of us to check ourselves and what we are saying, because the written word may come out more harsh than what could be conveyed person to person.

If you cannot look into the eyes of another, have them hear your tone of voice and see your body language, you cannot better know how someone is taking what is being said.

How I (not speaking for anyone but myself) am feeling comes from your words to the OP:(it sounds like gloating)

sensual pleasures are nice when they happen, but only a fool will crave them or actively seek them.

my question was answered above

fail ... no non-returner... no $200 ... do not passing 'go' :sawed:

demoted to 'speculative once-returner'

the Buddha defined 'craving' as follows:

The origin of suffering, as a noble truth, is this: It is the craving that produces renewal of being accompanied by enjoyment and lust :nyah: , and enjoying this and that; in other words, craving for sensual desires, craving for being, craving for non-being

Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta: Setting Rolling the Wheel of Truth

Vincenzi

@seeker242

it is sad, but sometimes "others" must be put in the place they deserve. that includes the use of language to neutralize.

avidja (ignorance) with regards specially to how to teach the Dharma is probably the strongest of the fetters that remains... and there's cumulative karma that should be cleaned before too.

Vincenzi

@Hubris

it is wrong speech on the part of Dharma Dhatu.

Hubris

@Hubris

it is wrong speech on the part of Dharma Dhatu.

Perhaps it is, as "we" see it. Perhaps not. However DD may not see it that way as it comes from his mind/fingers. I called it to his attention because maybe a different way of phrasing things would seem less chafing to some.

I wholly appreciate his anecdotes, just not always the manner in which he shares them.

vixthenomad

enjoyment by itself is not "evil".

"There is nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it so." - Shakespeare

I've just remembered this quote from my schooldays, and it seemed to be a fitting response to what you said. I don't often have much time for Shakespeare, but he seems to have pretty much summed up Buddhism here.

taiyaki

enjoyment by itself is not "evil".

"There is nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it so." - Shakespeare

I've just remembered this quote from my schooldays, and it seemed to be a fitting response to what you said. I don't often have much time for Shakespeare, but he seems to have pretty much summed up Buddhism here.

reminds me of this quote:

“Whether a deed is good, or becomes a sin, is difficult to determine. Some actions may appear righteous when the intention behind them is wrong. Likewise, an action may appear dishonorable, but may in some cases have a pure and innocent intention. Whether something is good or bad depends on the mind alone.”

- Wonhyo

Cloud

This thread is remarkably off-the-rails and has turned into a lot of back-biting.