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A Good Career or Job for a Buddhist?

DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
edited January 2011 in Buddhism Today
A Good Career or Job for a Buddhist?
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  • edited January 2011
    Anything that involves caretaking (a career in health care, teaching, childcare), justice, social activism, just off the top of my head. Anything that strives to eliminate suffering (mental health care, for one). Hi Leon. :)
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    Any job that doesn't involve harming any living sentient being and can be done skilfully is appropriate.

    *Light blue touchpaper and stand well back*....
  • vegetarian cook (no dead animals used as ingredients), designer of eco-friendly (energy efficient, not toxic) products, farmer?
  • Yes, eco-friendly farmer: good one, Vincenzi! Anything in the environmental field. Also: veterenarian.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Thank you all!
    Is Sales a good career?
    Specifically, Technology/Clothes/Retail?
  • Here's an excerpt from Thubten Chodron's page about everyday dharma:

    "When you go to work, think, 'I must achieve enlightenment in order to lead each and every sentient being to enlightenment. Therefore, I am going to do service for sentient beings by going to work.' If you are working in order to provide for your family, it is service to sentient beings. If you do not have to provide for your family, you nevertheless need the necessary material conditions in order to practice the Dharma so that you may attain enlightenment for the benefit of all sentient beings.

    While you are at work, remember the kindness of the other sentient beings who gave you the job and who make it possible for you to earn a living. Thinking in this way helps to avoid generating negative emotions such as anger at work."
    http://thubtenchodron.org/PrayersAndPractices/practicing_dharma_in_daily_life.html#Working

    You may also want to check this page as well:
    http://thubtenchodron.org/DailyLifeDharma/practicing_buddhism_in_daily_life.html
  • A good question! I have been thinking about this a lot - I am a lawyer and I do not think that it is compatible - but I do not know what else I can do and which is compatible?
  • I see nothing wrong with a career in law as long as you are not driven by greed or corruption (sadly this is a common element in many firms.) Attorneys provide a very valuable service to people who are less educated, and help to maintain a functioning and orderly society.
  • One that helps people realize their inner Buddha in some way. What matters most is the intent.
  • I see nothing wrong with a career in law as long as you are not driven by greed or corruption (sadly this is a common element in many firms.) Attorneys provide a very valuable service to people who are less educated, and help to maintain a functioning and orderly society.
    That is exactly what I thought but it is unfortunately the case that in order to survive in most private firms, you must meet your billing targets and those targets have greed and corruption installed in them (I suppose it is the same in any commercial environment). I am thinking of working in law in the public or voluntary sector and to hell with the lower pay.

    Any other lawyers here per chance?
  • I work as a medical debt collector, and my job is entirely motivated by greed. It is a pretty stressful job, I'm required to collect a certain amount every month in order to stay employed. I do my best to be understanding of the people I'm calling, particularly since I am in a substantial amount of debt myself, and I'm not out to hurt anyone or make them feel bad about themselves.

    I typically have to look at the positive side of things in order to get by. specifically, sitting at a desk all day gives me lots of time to study the dharma, and the money I bring in helps to support myself and my girlfriend, and is going to pay for me to get back to school, so I can finish my psychology degree.

    It's definitely a toss-up.
  • edited January 2011
    ......... Attorneys provide a very valuable service to people who are less educated, and help to maintain a functioning and orderly society.
    I don't mean to sound like Yoda, but you have much to learn, my friend. :)

    There are honorable attorneys, and there are attorneys that cause nothing but tremendous suffering, all for the sake of money. And most play the middle ground between those two.

  • ravkesravkes Veteran
    edited January 2011
    try to find something you're good at that helps others. if you can't, let's say you're like talisman and has no other choice then that's alright that's reality.

    that's about it.

    :)
  • ......... Attorneys provide a very valuable service to people who are less educated, and help to maintain a functioning and orderly society.
    I don't mean to sound like Yoda, but you have much to learn, my friend. :)

    There are honorable attorneys, and there are attorneys that cause nothing but tremendous suffering, all for the sake of money. And most play the middle ground between those two.

    Imagine trying to defend yourself or navigating a complicated legal issue with the aid of an educated professional. Those dishonorable and greedy attorneys who spend their time chasing ambulances and clogging up the legal system with worthless suits and debilitating divorce cases are obviously not the people of whom I am speaking. That is what I stated in my original post.
  • I see quite a few Buddhists in the field of Psychology and Mental Health Counseling. It's a helping field for one, and also there are many parallels between the Dharma and psychotherapy. A great deal of it is involved with helping people see things as they really are.
  • I suppose a good career would be any in which you are in a position to help shape minds.

    Look at Kirk Hammett from Metallica, he is a buddhist, and I'm sure the songs he has written have effected people.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited January 2011
    A good question! I have been thinking about this a lot - I am a lawyer and I do not think that it is compatible - but I do not know what else I can do and which is compatible?
    Hi, Tristram30. You could work for a non-profit that does some sort of Good Work in the world. You wouldn't make as much as in a private firm, but you'd get a lot of satisfaction out of it, and you'd escape the tyranny of billable hours. Or you could do pro-bono work, of course.

    My brother tried being a lawyer for a few years, and quit. he said the system is broken, it doesn't work. Lawyers' time costs the client too much, and if the client is suing a company, the company has the financial advantage. if the case goes to appeal, the client often has to quit.

    But there are many areas of the law that are rewarding, though they don't pay as well as some other areas. I would think lawyer would be one of the most compatible professions (think of child advocacy, for example, or Civil Rights Law, Environmental Law, Federal Indian Law). PM me if you want to continue this discussion.
  • edited January 2011
    Any job that doesn't involve harming any living sentient being and can be done skilfully is appropriate.
    Yes, I agree.

    :)
  • Yes, I agree. :)
    What about running a Buddhist chat forum? Does this accord with Nibbana or cause dukkha?

    :scratch:
  • Yes, I agree. :)
    What about running a Buddhist chat forum? Does this accord with Nibbana or cause dukkha?

    :scratch:
    It depends on how one approaches the running of the forum, and how the participants themselves act/react does it not? Everything we encounter can be either a cause of dukkha or Nibbana depending on our own mental state.



    :)
  • How about advertising... that's what I do. Do you think that's appropriate?
  • It depends on how one approaches the running of the forum, and how the participants themselves act/react does it not? Everything we encounter can be either a cause of dukkha or Nibbana depending on our own mental state.



    :)
    :bowdown:
  • I suppose a good career would be any in which you are in a position to help shape minds.

    Look at Kirk Hammett from Metallica, he is a buddhist, and I'm sure the songs he has written have effected people.
    Wow - I didn't know that!!! Big Metallica fan! I am now thinking of a different meaning to many tracks - Eye of the Beholder, The God that Failed, Harvester of Sorrow, I Disappear, Kind Nothing....I could keep going!

    Mintyfresh, any other metal stars who practice Buddhism that you know of?

    Sorry to corrupt the thread but I am very interested - PM me if that is a better idea!
  • I suppose a good career would be any in which you are in a position to help shape minds.

    Look at Kirk Hammett from Metallica, he is a buddhist, and I'm sure the songs he has written have effected people.
    Wow - I didn't know that!!! Big Metallica fan! I am now thinking of a different meaning to many tracks - Eye of the Beholder, The God that Failed, Harvester of Sorrow, I Disappear, Kind Nothing....I could keep going!

    Mintyfresh, any other metal stars who practice Buddhism that you know of?

    Sorry to corrupt the thread but I am very interested - PM me if that is a better idea!
    Being a metal-head I would be curious as to how many famous metal musicians are indeed Buddhist, but some famous people that i know of off the top of my head are:

    David Bowie, Steven Seagal, Courtney Love, Jackie Chan, Keanu Reeves, One of the beastie boys

    The thread can now resume as scheduled lol:
  • shanyinshanyin Novice Yogin Sault Ontario Veteran
    edited January 2011
    I wonder if anyone would think that making video games is against right livelyhood.

    I'm readying about gaming addiction right now and it seems to be be sort of a significant problem. I just took a video game creation course at college, didn't do so well in it though.

    I play Starcraft so much when I close my eyes often I sort of see the visuals of the game. I came across someone else online who said the same thing.

    Just a thought.

    If I were to guess I'd say that 80 - 85 percent of the games I've owned consist only of murdering people.
  • ravkesravkes Veteran
    edited January 2011
    making video games isn't against right livelihood, games that consist of murdering people aren't bad it has no correlation to the person being an idiot who actually does it and being addicted to gaming is stupid too... honestly i think we've evolved to the point where we can consciously make stupid decisions and then question why things are a certain way.
  • I want to be an author and a vet- which is both bringing pleasure to people and helping animals and their human carers. Some people might consider the euthanasia part of the job a little controversial but I've got my head screwed on- what must be done must be done.
  • Anything that you are good at and helps people. There is a need for all kinds of people and we need more Buddhists in all sorts of careers, not just in those considered the "caring professions".
  • Cartoon animator.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    making video games isn't against right livelihood, games that consist of murdering people aren't bad it has no correlation to the person being an idiot who actually does it and being addicted to gaming is stupid too... honestly i think we've evolved to the point where we can consciously make stupid decisions and then question why things are a certain way.
    Great points!

  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Cartoon animator.
    How cool!
  • I'm surprised nobody has suggested monk, wandering ascetic, guru, or shaman... :bowdown: Or superhero crime fighter :ninja:
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    lol!
  • CamCam
    edited January 2011
    My dream before I discovered Buddhism was to become a police officer, but I'm not really sure where I stand on that anymore. I do know of Buddhist police officers that don't have a problem justifying their work and its connection to the Buddhist teachings, but I'm not sure I'm convinced yet.
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    I used to think counterfeiting would be a grand profession - then having taken precepts it occurred that the opposite - "reverse panhandling" would be the ideal....
  • A good question! I have been thinking about this a lot - I am a lawyer and I do not think that it is compatible - but I do not know what else I can do and which is compatible?
    international law - diplomat
  • Tool and (late) Samael are more buddhist... and better bands! :rockon:
    I suppose a good career would be any in which you are in a position to help shape minds.

    Look at Kirk Hammett from Metallica, he is a buddhist, and I'm sure the songs he has written have effected people.
    Wow - I didn't know that!!! Big Metallica fan! I am now thinking of a different meaning to many tracks - Eye of the Beholder, The God that Failed, Harvester of Sorrow, I Disappear, Kind Nothing....I could keep going!

    Mintyfresh, any other metal stars who practice Buddhism that you know of?

    Sorry to corrupt the thread but I am very interested - PM me if that is a better idea!
  • Tool, Therion and (late) Samael are more buddhist... and better bands! :rockon: ...even Apocalypica! (instrumental music sometimes aid meditation progress)

    Actually... music is a great way to have a buddhist job... my first song is called Samådhi, of the Nirvåna album (still needs some composition and arrangement).
    I suppose a good career would be any in which you are in a position to help shape minds.

    Look at Kirk Hammett from Metallica, he is a buddhist, and I'm sure the songs he has written have effected people.
    Wow - I didn't know that!!! Big Metallica fan! I am now thinking of a different meaning to many tracks - Eye of the Beholder, The God that Failed, Harvester of Sorrow, I Disappear, Kind Nothing....I could keep going!

    Mintyfresh, any other metal stars who practice Buddhism that you know of?

    Sorry to corrupt the thread but I am very interested - PM me if that is a better idea!
  • I'm surprised nobody has suggested monk, wandering ascetic, guru, or shaman... :bowdown: Or superhero crime fighter :ninja:
    ...that's the "secret job".
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Good stuff everyone!:)
  • An Asura Slayer?
  • Monk.He he
  • What about the life of a proffestional poker player? I live off of other players who are not as skillfull as me. I don't steal their money it is given. In a sense I am payed to entertain. As a whole I think it is fine. Only thing that bothers me is if someone has gambling issues and it is causing them problems. Its one thing for someoen to pay for a little entertainment and another for someone to lose the lives savings. I've had many stressfull proffesions. This is the most stressfull. Not sure a life that brings that many negative emotions is good. Mediation makes me much better at what I do however. As I have more emotional controll than most. I would probably quit but I make more in a year than most in 5 so if I can put my future time and money to good use perhaps it outways the negatives of the gambling trade. Thoughts??
  • I'm surprised nobody has suggested monk, wandering ascetic, guru, or shaman... :bowdown: Or superhero crime fighter :ninja:
    Probably too obvious. Or maybe people assumed the OP had in mind paying jobs (he has a huge college loan to repay. Monk, wandering ascetic, shaman won't cut it...financial reality rears its ugly head :p )

    How about marketing and sales? Toys, health products, sports gear, health services....etc.
  • Monk.He he
    so, are monks asura slayers too?
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    I'm surprised nobody has suggested monk, wandering ascetic, guru, or shaman... :bowdown: Or superhero crime fighter :ninja:
    Probably too obvious. Or maybe people assumed the OP had in mind paying jobs (he has a huge college loan to repay. Monk, wandering ascetic, shaman won't cut it...financial reality rears its ugly head :p )

    How about marketing and sales? Toys, health products, sports gear, health services....etc.
    Lol...
    I don't really like all of those things.
    Maybe.. Here and there?
  • Well, we've pretty much covered the gamut of jobs, so marketing and sales is all that was left. :-/ meh....
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Yea, Thank You!
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    What about the life of a proffestional poker player? I live off of other players who are not as skillfull as me. I don't steal their money it is given. In a sense I am payed to entertain. As a whole I think it is fine. Only thing that bothers me is if someone has gambling issues and it is causing them problems. Its one thing for someoen to pay for a little entertainment and another for someone to lose the lives savings. I've had many stressfull proffesions. This is the most stressfull. Not sure a life that brings that many negative emotions is good. Mediation makes me much better at what I do however. As I have more emotional controll than most. I would probably quit but I make more in a year than most in 5 so if I can put my future time and money to good use perhaps it outways the negatives of the gambling trade. Thoughts??
    hello sisnarf,
    one of my jobs is as a massage therapist in a poker room. i sometimes have down time to spend observing. all in all, i do not see the job as particularly skillful. i understand what you are saying, you make money because you are simply better than the others. it is a test of skill. there is nothing inherently wrong with what you do, but when you add in the problem of people who are addicted to gambling, you will see a lot of suffering. i have made friendships with some people who just can't walk away. they keep buying in just to lose. it is very sad to see, indeed. but then again, you could also say that if you weren't there, there would always be someone else to take your place. you don't force them to play, they are adults who arrive at that decision all by themselves. everyone must do what they have to do to make a living, no? i think perhaps the solution would be to always be a generous person. i have seen players who really do remorse when they clean someone out, and sometimes they even toss the guy a few hundred back. i have a lot of respect for the people who keep their greed at a minimum. perhaps the best you can do is to be like this?

    i hope this doesn't sound offensive or anything. i am no supreme authority, lol, just a person on the internet creating a discussion. but just fyi, although my purpose in the poker room is different than yours, i do feel sorrow and guilt sometimes as well just because i am so close to it.

    you say you play professionally, does this mean you play in casinos for a living or you do tournaments? or both?

  • I'm surprised nobody has suggested monk, wandering ascetic, guru, or shaman... :bowdown: Or superhero crime fighter :ninja:
    How about all the above mentioned qualities rolled into one superhero? How cool would that be?

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