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If I commit suicide in order to donate my organs to save the lives of people who need organ transpla

hermitwinhermitwin Veteran
edited January 2011 in Philosophy
If I commit suicide in order to donate my organs to save the lives of people who need organ transplant, will my positive karma outweigh the negative karma?

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  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    No.
    Because you have no choice in what happens to your body when you've left it.
    They might deem the organs unsuitable, or they might degenerate before use can be made of them.
    Suicide breaks the first precept.
    Best not go there.
  • NidishNidish
    But, in one of the past lives of The buddha, I hear, he jumped off a cliff so that the starving tigress and her kittens could eat him - he was a prince... Well, as Federica said, suicide breaks the first precept, but still, you will have some good karma left - that's my opinion... Ans, you can also have your organs checked before dying no?? And, it would take a lot of courage and grit to do so for this reason... But, I would also put forth this point.. Anyways, you can donate your body parts after your natural death, so why hurry things? And this is not a situation like that in which that Bodhisattva was - where if the animals were not fed at that time, they would have died... I would call someone who does so in such a situation A HUMAN...
  • ShiftPlusOneShiftPlusOne Veteran
    Nidish, he didn't jump off a cliff, where did you get that from.

    As far as I know he died from food poisoning.

    And yes, suicide breaks the first precept.
  • VangelisVangelis
    I think Nidish is talking about one of the Buddha's past lives. He saw that a lioness and her cubs were starving and about to die so he stepped out from the forest scrub and allowed the lioness to eat his body and feed her cubs.

    I wouldn't recommend this unless you are a highly attained practitioner.
  • ShiftPlusOneShiftPlusOne Veteran
    Ah ok, thanks, Vangelis.
  • PietroPumokinPietroPumokin
    the best way to gain good karma via suicide is by crashing your fighter jet head on into an incoming nuclear missile sent by evil people at a giant buddha stature or something of course.... dummy :wave:
  • Ada_BAda_B
    You've been watching that ghastly movie, "Seven Pounds", haven't you? Apart from being one of the most boring movies I've ever seen, it was beyond medically inaccurate.

    Ethically, the movie was appalling.
  • Fran45Fran45
    To have organs to donate you would have to time your death so that it occurred in a hospital where they could maintain the viability of the organs until tissue matches are made. There is very little usable tissue from DOAs.
  • hermitwinhermitwin Veteran
    nope, i didnt watch 7 pounds. I am well aware of the intricacies surrounding organ transplant. Consider this, saving a few human lives is heavy duty good karma. Most people spend their whole life never having saved even a dog's life. When a firefighter dies saving a child's life. he is a hero. How is this any different?
  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]
    edited January 2011
    No positive karma from committing suicide as you are escaping suffering on the pretense of life saving. And also forgetting the love of your parents from nurturing you and doing a disservice to all kindhearted people surrounding you :D
  • RogerRoger
    edited January 2011
    Try to end your life in an unintentional and heroic matter.

    That's the only "deliberate" way out.

    Wait for the proper opportunity to occur. That's what I'm ready to face.

    I just gotta jump in and try to save someone's life should the need arise.

    :thumbsup:
  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]
    edited January 2011
    Hell is never a cause from suicide. Suicide people will suffer even more than living as human. It goes through the process of suicide himself again and again until that karmic consequences of suicide cleanse, and is very traumatic
    :D
  • nvamsanvamsa New
    ..When a firefighter dies saving a child's life. he is a hero. How is this any different?
    The different is in mental volition.

  • formermonkJohnformermonkJohn
    call the paramedics, this person needs help, a good friend of mine left a more cryptic statement on facebook and killed himself soon after, this statement is a cry for help, not a lecture on karma, antidepressants work wonders for people in situations like this, and unfortunately this involves seeing a doctor, please do that and then come back for a discussion on karma, but what i do know people who committed suicide in their last life face a very difficult next life, and it can be a vicious cycle leading them to contemplate suicide again, if youre suffering a lot now, then kill yourself, you take all the suffering flash bang into your next life, the buddha taught an end to suffering, but he would never advise you not to take medicine when youre sick, sincerely john
  • Ada_BAda_B
    FWIW there are reasons why, in almost every jurisdiction, organs are not used from individuals who deliberately commit suicide in order to donate. Even if you can get around the problem that the organs wouldn't be viable if you died outside hospital.

    Also, have you thought about the effect on any potential recipient, even if you could get round that problem? I have a friend who has had a heart transplant. She is comforted by the fact that her donor died in an accident and so no longer needed his heart. What sort of comfort would it be knowing your donor had killed himself? It would be awful!

    Why not donate bone marrow - you can do that safely while you're alive and it could save a life. I also have a friend alive today due to bone marrow transplant.

    Suicide is never a good thing. It doesn't escape suffering, it simply postpones it for your next rebirth, as well as greatly increasing the suffering of everyone around you. Even if you think they don't care about you or imagine they'd be better off without you. Suicide, for whatever reason, causes great pain to everyone. It vastly increases suffering in the world - the complete antithesis of compassion and lovingkindness.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    nope, i didnt watch 7 pounds. I am well aware of the intricacies surrounding organ transplant. Consider this, saving a few human lives is heavy duty good karma. Most people spend their whole life never having saved even a dog's life. When a firefighter dies saving a child's life. he is a hero. How is this any different?
    because the firefighter didn't wish for death. he just rose to the challenge.

    so, why not become a firefighter then?
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited January 2011
    Did you ever watch Its a Wonderful Life, the old time movie? There is a guy named George and they tell some of his life. Then his whole life becomes a disaster. Everything is going wrong. And he wishes he had never been born. An angel, Clarence, shows him what the world would be like if he hadn't have been.

    You have much more to give than your organs. You can create much better karma!



  • filosophiafilosophia
    Karma can be instantaneously transcended via knowledge of nirvana. When your mind comprehends the outskirts of nirvana your mind frees itself from all karma. It is then possible for the mind to be continuously illuminated and freed of all karma. The past must be released.
  • hermitwinhermitwin Veteran
    Dont worry, i am not suicidal.but I am very sympathetic to suicidal people.
    People who commits suicide usually have suffered terribly and can see no way out of their suffering. I do not dispute the negative aspects of suicide but I still think that if your intention is to help others, the consequences cant be that bad.
  • lometogolometogo
    edited January 2011
    Smile at a stranger who appears forlorn or lost today; tickle a dog's left ear; help a rat escape; buy a beer for a street drunk; overtip a waitress.

    Try these first; if you still have an abiding wish to suicide, have at it, Rip!

    Of course, it's all about thoughts, which are ever so ephemeral anyway. heheheeheh
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    No reason to condemn people who have committed suicide. I agree with assisted suicide even. I hate how people die in hospitals rather than by the fireside drinking pouridge, no doubt romanticized. But not for an illness with a good chance of a cure. Depression does have a good therapy. Not exactly a 'cure' persay, but it is like you can enjoy life with insulin even though its a PITA.
  • upekkaupekka Veteran
    if your intention is to help others,
    help yourself first, i mean understand Buddha's Teaching first, then you can help others more than just providing them necessary organs

    asking this type of question indicate there is more to understand Buddha's Teaching

  • formermonkJohnformermonkJohn
    a long series of good answers! all i can say is my friends suicide may not have hurt him as much as it hurt us; his friends, it threw me in to 2 months of depression, i keep thinking if i could have been a better friend, we both have the same illness, i could have perhaps saved him or postponed it, next time you hear a friend with lots of problems like this, dont give up on them, put up with more sxxx from them than you would a normal friend, often times the most depressed are very lonely, and the normal people who take all your time have plenty of other friends, just a thought... sincerely john
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