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New & Have A Couple Of Problems

edited February 2011 in Buddhism Basics
Hi everyone;

I consider myself "new" to Buddhism, even though I have been reading about it for many years. I went to the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, MA for a few days, and have gone to one or two dharma talks. Aside from that, all my practice and learning has been at home, from books and internet. Now I have moved to a very remote area, and there are no study groups near me. I crave human interaction in understanding Buddhism and wish I had someone to study with. But again, I am WAY out in the wilderness with no local resources.

I have been searching the internet for forums such as this, but haven't had a lot of luck. Either they are very inactive, or when I do find open discussions I find them very vague. By that I mean no offense, but many people answer simple questions with complex scripture quotes, which if I understood, I wouldn't have had a question at all. Does that make any sense? I am just looking for a layman type forum where I can learn more about how to practice, and ask various questions as they come up.

One example would be, I've been reading and reading about Mahayana vs. Theravada vs. Vjarayana, etc. I have umpteen books on Buddhism and STILL can't grasp which is for me. I have read things like "Don't worry about that now, just start somewhere and see where you go", to others who ask that question, but find advice like this frustration, albeit well intended. I find the various terminology used in the different schools confusing, and it's hard enough as it is to learn.

I guess my real question is: Is there a beginner online study group?? One that will help me understand the different beliefs of the different schools, and also how to practice daily and what steps I should be taking next? I try to live compassionately, I meditate, I refrain from harm, etc., but what next? I want so badly to participate more actively in the Buddhist community and feel a lack of down to earth and interactive resources.

Sorry this was so long, but any input would be appreciated! Thank you so much.

Comments

  • Well this forum is a good place for getting questions answered. Sometimes you'll get people who quote scriptures, but mostly you'll get "human" answers.

    There's a good self-study guide at http://www.buddhanet.net that may help you go over the differences between the schools. Or maybe someone who can put it simply enough will post it here. :)
  • Thank you Cloud, I actually have that study guide open right now in another tab and have been reading it since last night. It is helpful, I just wish there was more human interaction.
  • http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/snapshot02.htm shows a side-by-side comparison of Theravada and Mahayana, that should answer some questions.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    Thank you Cloud, I actually have that study guide open right now in another tab and have been reading it since last night. It is helpful, I just wish there was more human interaction.
    welcome laurajean!

    i find this board very helpful in that way. it's very active and we have a broad enough group of people that you get a good sampling of all sorts of answers.
  • Thanks to everyone so far. I'm jumping around this site and also checking out random links that others have posted. I think what I want is STRUCTURE (or instruction). I want to know (or have someone tell me) what to do when. I just feel like I'm passing my days reading about Buddhism and not doing a lot of practice, other than meditating. There's so many rituals and things that I read about, and do know why or when or how to do any of them.
  • "Structure" and "what to do when" just emphasize needing a teacher...

    A forum's a good place to seek answers, and you can ask as many as you can come up with, but it might not be enough to provide what you're looking for.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    Thanks to everyone so far. I'm jumping around this site and also checking out random links that others have posted. I think what I want is STRUCTURE (or instruction). I want to know (or have someone tell me) what to do when. I just feel like I'm passing my days reading about Buddhism and not doing a lot of practice, other than meditating. There's so many rituals and things that I read about, and do know why or when or how to do any of them.
    i know what you mean, i didn't respond to your "this school vs this school vs this school" because i am very much in the same boat.

    what practice would you like to be doing other than meditating? i only meditate. well, sometimes i chant... but i still view this as meditation.
    imho, i feel that the rituals are the difference between buddhism being a philosophy and a religion. don't worry too much about them. focus on finding the right form of meditation for you. this can be difficult enough without adding in things like rituals. the buddha was enlightened through meditation, not rituals.
  • edited February 2011


    i know what you mean, i didn't respond to your "this school vs this school vs this school" because i am very much in the same boat.

    what practice would you like to be doing other than meditating? i only meditate. well, sometimes i chant... but i still view this as meditation.
    imho, i feel that the rituals are the difference between buddhism being a philosophy and a religion. don't worry too much about them. focus on finding the right form of meditation for you. this can be difficult enough without adding in things like rituals. the buddha was enlightened through meditation, not rituals.
    I guess you're right, about focusing on meditation. I just feel a strong desire to be more "plugged in" to Buddhist culture and practice. I'd like to meet other Buddhists and participate in Dharma talks, etc. I just want to be an active Buddhist, not just sitting at home reading and meditating. But there are no groups like that near me, and I'm disabled, so I couldn't really get to one if there was. So I guess I'm just feeling frustrated and alone. All the reading is getting overwhelming, I'm not sure what it is that I want to do, but I want to do something!

    What I'd really like is a teacher!!
  • Is there a beginner online study group?? One that will help me understand the different beliefs of the different schools, and also how to practice daily and what steps I should be taking next?
    Hi Laura,

    I have recently started this two year Buddhist foundation course ran by the Jamyang Centre;

    http://www.jamyang.co.uk/StructuredBuddhistCourses.html#fbt

    I'm really enjoying it and I think it fulfils the criteria that you're looking for? You study with other students from all over the World (though from the UK mostly in my group), and there's a study forum just for the 15 or so people on your course.

    It's Gelug tradition (which doesn't mean much to me mind; I know very little about the differences between Buddhist sects), and I've since found out that it's quite a scholastic Buddhist sect. That suits me, but it may not be everyone's cup of tea.

    Also, for a daily meditation practise, have a look at Lamrim meditation; it gives you advice about how to meditate and to live during your 'meditation break'! (That confused me; a 'meditation break' is any time you're not sat on a mat meditating).




  • Hi Laura,

    I have recently started this two year Buddhist foundation course ran by the Jamyang Centre;

    http://www.jamyang.co.uk/StructuredBuddhistCourses.html#fbt

    I'm really enjoying it and I think it fulfils the criteria that you're looking for? You study with other students from all over the World (though from the UK mostly in my group), and there's a study forum just for the 15 or so people on your course.

    It's Gelug tradition (which doesn't mean much to me mind; I know very little about the differences between Buddhist sects), and I've since found out that it's quite a scholastic Buddhist sect. That suits me, but it may not be everyone's cup of tea.

    Also, for a daily meditation practise, have a look at Lamrim meditation; it gives you advice about how to meditate and to live during your 'meditation break'! (That confused me; a 'meditation break' is any time you're not sat on a mat meditating).


    Hi Tosh (as in .O?)

    I checked your link, but I'm a little confused, maybe I'm looking in the wrong area. It mentions tuition in pounds, and mentions "lunch", etc, suggesting that it's an in person group? Is there an online section that I am missing?

    Thanks!

    Laura

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited February 2011
    I don't think anyone on this forum can meet your need for proper guidance. You may only discuss things on a forum and get scripture quoted. But I would suggest to look on the internet for a teacher who is receptive to e-mail relationships. Work with a teacher. You don't have to put blind trust and if their message does not help you then try another. But I feel an authentic teacher would have the knowledge, compassion, and lack of ego that is lacking in a forum where people are just discussing things.

    That being said there are many who have practiced a long time here. And even those who don't strike you as sensible you may learn from their mistakes.

    I study with Lama Shenpen Hookham long distance. You may receive her biweekly (or so) emails of her students questions and answers and get a feel for how she teaches. It might be an oppurtunity of interest to you. Try googling 'Shenpen Hookham' 'Buddhism Connect'
  • I don't think anyone on this forum can meet your need for proper guidance. You may only discuss things on a forum and get scripture quoted. But I would suggest to look on the internet for a teacher who is receptive to e-mail relationships. Work with a teacher. You don't have to put blind trust and if their message does not help you then try another. But I feel an authentic teacher would have the knowledge, compassion, and lack of ego that is lacking in a forum where people are just discussing things.

    That being said there are many who have practiced a long time here. And even those who don't strike you as sensible you may learn from their mistakes.

    I study with Lama Shenpen Hookham long distance. You may receive her biweekly (or so) emails of her students questions and answers and get a feel for how she teaches. It might be an oppurtunity of interest to you. Try googling 'Shenpen Hookham' 'Buddhism Connect'
    Jeffrey, just found it and signed up, thanks! Do you feel that you get a lot of benefit from the emails? Have you, or can you, correspond with her or just submit questions? Sounds interesting, looking forward to it. Thank you!

    And you're right, what I need is a teacher. I appreciate these forums, but I really feel the need for a teacher for guidance.

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited February 2011
    I am taking a course with her that I started in 2006. I have completed 2 workbooks and am on the third. At that time I believe there was a fee that I was able to pay. But at this time I think there are enough fundraising so that the course is free but I am not sure about that. In any case the e-mails are free. I am not sure of the rules in 2010 as I am now in the Sangha. For example I am not sure who has access to the dharma talks.

    The email teachings are great. Just reading those you can learn a lot from example. They are in plain intuitive english and any time a unfamiliar word is used it is defined. I recommend even if you are not interested in the course I am taking to check out the emails.

    The online course is called discovering the heart of buddhism. You get a coursebook and a packet for how to go about taking the course. You also get a manual on the meditation instructions from the teacher. You are assigned a contact person who you may respond to by e-mail or phone. The contact person is one who has studied closely with the lama for a number of years. It is up to you to keep that relationship going as the contact person cannot keep tabs on everyone so you need to be the activator.

    The lama is also receptive to phone calls and e-mails. Sometimes the e-mails don't get answered in my experience. But many of them do and they have been very helpful for me. Usually the ones with a question about how to practice are answered and I am not sure if she is just too busy or doesn't find anything to 'go on' in the ones that are unanswered.

    Anyhow that is my experience.
  • The closest I can think of is several schools of Buddhism where you can join for a small yearly fee, and that gets you newsletters and the opportunity to enter into an email correspondence and attend special retreats if you're able.

    Most Buddhists of the world don't have a choice; the local temple is what they get.
  • I am taking a course with her that I started in 2006. I have completed 2 workbooks and am on the third. At that time I believe there was a fee that I was able to pay. But at this time I think there are enough fundraising so that the course is free but I am not sure about that. In any case the e-mails are free. I am not sure of the rules in 2010 as I am now in the Sangha. For example I am not sure who has access to the dharma talks.

    The email teachings are great. Just reading those you can learn a lot from example. They are in plain intuitive english and any time a unfamiliar word is used it is defined. I recommend even if you are not interested in the course I am taking to check out the emails.

    The online course is called discovering the heart of buddhism. You get a coursebook and a packet for how to go about taking the course. You also get a manual on the meditation instructions from the teacher. You are assigned a contact person who you may respond to by e-mail or phone. The contact person is one who has studied closely with the lama for a number of years. It is up to you to keep that relationship going as the contact person cannot keep tabs on everyone so you need to be the activator.

    The lama is also receptive to phone calls and e-mails. Sometimes the e-mails don't get answered in my experience. But many of them do and they have been very helpful for me. Usually the ones with a question about how to practice are answered and I am not sure if she is just too busy or doesn't find anything to 'go on' in the ones that are unanswered.

    Anyhow that is my experience.
    Yeah, I signed up for the emails and am reading about the course as we speak. Sounds interesting, haven't gotten to the price part yet, but I like the concept so far. Thanks again!

  • Holy Smokes, $500 US Dollars?? Nevermind..... (it's not that it's not worth it, I'm just poor). :(
  • E-mail them about the cost. They have a budget but they are not trying to get rich trust me. Though they are trying to build a stupa which is something I don't fully understand.

    It is possible that you could work something out with them. Just let them know what your circumstances are.

    In any case the fee is to support the dharma activity not to get rich and I hope you can benefit from the e-mails if nothing else. If you want and you are in the U.S. I can send you some CDs of teachings. Or outside U.S. if you pay postage.
  • Oh, I don't think they're trying to get rich, I'm not worried about that at all. If I had that kind of money, I would happily pay it and contribute to their cause. I'm just disabled and poor, plain and simple. They did say they offer a monthly payment plan, but I can't even afford that these days.

    I would happily take you up on your generous offer of the CD's however! I am in the US, but would still pay you for postage; it's only fair. I'm new to the forum, is there a way to private message so I can give you my address info? Thanks so much for the very kind offer.
  • Yes I sent you a personal message. It says 'inbox' at the top of the forum.
  • Okay, not sure what I'm doing wrong. I see where it says "Inbox" but when I click it it just says there are no new conversations??
  • Maybe I made a mistake sending you the PM I will try again. You can send me a PM by clicking on my name (I think). I'll try again.
  • I think I found it. It was about contacting them, right?
  • Yeah I sent you another one. The first I made a mistake but the next one I explained what the mistake was. But yeah really contact them. The whole core of the sangha is to teach the dharma and unless they really cannot accept people without payment I am sure they would try at least.
  • Thanks Jeff, I send you a private message about it.
  • Hi LJ

    Many of us are in the same boat as you. The only center close to me is an NKT center, which isn't for me. You just have to do the best you can do. This is a great group of folks here :)

  • Thanks to everyone so far. I'm jumping around this site and also checking out random links that others have posted. I think what I want is STRUCTURE (or instruction). I want to know (or have someone tell me) what to do when. I just feel like I'm passing my days reading about Buddhism and not doing a lot of practice, other than meditating. There's so many rituals and things that I read about, and do know why or when or how to do any of them.
    rituals are irelevant...
  • Why are rituals irrelevant to Buddhist practice? Why would there be rituals if they were irrelevant?
  • People are attached to rites & rituals, @laurajean. It is one of the ten fetters. Though the enlightened masters may not be, the practitioners that have still not overcome this fetter feel it to be valid practice.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited February 2011
    rituals add energy to the practice. Forms practice is rituals. Formless practice is just observation of your ordinary experience. Ultimately formless practice is what you need in the end.

    But on the way to overcome the obstacle of doubt and sluggishness forms can be used to provide energy and taking the teachings to heart.

    Its like a restaurant has some atmosphere even though it doesn't matter if the food is bad.

    The ritual is not helpful unless you have a light touch and equinimity. If you have equinimity and a light touch then the rituals are great. Thats how buddhism is. They start the talk by saying 'ok now arouse bodhicitta'. Well if you could do that you don't need to hear the talk! But we start somewhere right?

    Rituals also draw you into the mandala of awakening. If you always bow to the buddha in your living room or the painting or the quotation at your desk at work. It reminds you. And it is transformative.

    But the message of rituals (to me) isn't that it is a magic spell to doctor you up. But a simple thing as sharing a meal together is a ritual and can be done mindfully. Experiencing things not on autopilot. I think people associate rituals with shutting off their brain and that is not correct. I think the fetter thing is probably a bad translation. Theres rituals and then rituals. For example attachment to rituals is different from a light touch and equinimity and joyous dharma energy.
  • edited February 2011
    It depends on which tradition you follow, Laurajean. The Vajrayana tradition, for example, has various kinds of ritual which aren't found in Theravada Buddhism. Various kinds of offline 'Empowerments' for certain Vajrayana practices are an example of this....as are 'Drupchens' which can go on for several days.

    :)
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