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What makes someone a Buddhist fundamentalist?

LostieLostie Veteran
edited February 2011 in Buddhism Today
Ok I have heard tons of stories on Xtian Fundies in this forum.

How about Buddhist Fundies? Is it an oxymoron because if you're a Buddhist, you can't be a fundie?

So what makes a Buddhist a fundie?

Comments

  • I have never heard of a buddhist fundamentalist. Buddhists are notorious for being peaceful and accepting, if somebody is arguing until they are blue in the face or causing suffering via rocks, bombs, words or whatever means they have, they are not really a buddhist in my opinion. The same goes for those who flew into the twin towers, Islam is a sound religion, as so is Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism, it is just the extremists and 'fundis' who taint these pure teachings.
  • It does happen, people calling them self Buddhist and being fundamentalist like in Sri Lanka. There are some pictures of monks in robe throwing stones and lighting fires thus abandoning their precepts. Fundamentalists can be anywhere and anyone.

    I agree with Tom, I think the extremists have lost touch with their religion.
  • MindGateMindGate United States Veteran
    BELIEVE IN THE DHARMA OR GO TO THE HELL REALMS, YOU BUDDHA-LESS HEATHEN!
  • edited February 2011
    THEORETICALLY SPEAKING? AFAIK, there is a prohibition on proselytizing Buddhism AND Buddha encouraged students to directly challenge his ideas if they were so inclined.

    Two big differences..., no..., enormous differences, IMO.

    As was said above, people can act anyway they want in reality: free will.
  • zenffzenff Veteran
    edited February 2011
    A short list of Buddhist fundamentalism:

    - when you are offered a bonbon, you ask whether they are sure there is no alcohol in it.
    - when people laugh in the monastery, you reprimand them because this is a place of dharma!
    - when people are happy, you tell them they should stop it because life is suffering.
    - when people have a thought of their own, you dismiss that as “opinions”.
    - when the teacher fucks up, you say his wisdom is beyond our comprehension.
    - you look down on “worldly” people.
    - you think of Buddhists (at least when they’re in your group, at least some of them) as a spiritual elite.

    I am working on the extended list, but I have to do some “worldly” things first!
    :)

  • I think it's usually (ex-)Christians using the word "fundamentalist" as a derogatory word because of the negative connotations it has through Christianity.

    Thus "fundamentalist" means, in this usage, "overbearing and moralizing."


    However, using a more strict meaning of the word "fundamentalism", we could say it simply "relates to the fundamentals."

    I would say anyone who prefers Theravada Buddhism over other forms could be considered a "fundamentalist", whether or not he's a fire-breathing moralizer. He is simply focusing on the old teachings of the Buddha, and is perhaps suspicious of the newer interpretations.

    Overall, I think it's best to avoid the term "fundamentalism" because of its strong negative connotation to many people and how it can be used to circumvent a sound logical argument.
  • edited February 2011
    A short list of Buddhist fundamentalism:

    [deleted]

    I am working on the extended list, ... .
    :)
    Good luck with that and thank you for the warning. ;)

    :coffee:
  • Take a casual stroll among the threads on this site. You'll spot the fundamentalists. It's the ones who quote Pali Scripture and say that anything that deviates from their interpretation of the Pali (which is, itself, internally contradictory at times) is not valid Buddhism.
  • edited February 2011
    P.S. Search hint to Lostie: the threads on rebirth/reincarnation, and on karma are where members of the Fundamentalist species love to flock ;) Enjoy your stroll.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    a stroll is just a short trip to a troll..... ;)
    we had a fundamentalist/troll a short while ago.
    He soon goed. :)
  • Fun da mental is a crappy Muslim rap artist I thought!
    Flangita is a Hindu lesbian :)
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    Well that was worth posting.
    How fascinating, thanks for that. :rolleyes:
  • Ok I have heard tons of stories on Xtian Fundies in this forum.

    How about Buddhist Fundies? Is it an oxymoron because if you're a Buddhist, you can't be a fundie?

    So what makes a Buddhist a fundie?

    The Buddha was a fundamentalist in the sense that he knew that only insight into dependent origination would liberate a being without remainder, and attachment to the ideation of a supreme creator entity behind everything does not. This kind of makes Buddhism the odd one out as far as all the different world religions go.


  • I think it's usually (ex-)Christians using the word "fundamentalist" as a derogatory word because of the negative connotations it has through Christianity.

    Thus "fundamentalist" means, in this usage, "overbearing and moralizing."


    However, using a more strict meaning of the word "fundamentalism", we could say it simply "relates to the fundamentals."

    I would say anyone who prefers Theravada Buddhism over other forms could be considered a "fundamentalist", whether or not he's a fire-breathing moralizer. He is simply focusing on the old teachings of the Buddha, and is perhaps suspicious of the newer interpretations.

    Overall, I think it's best to avoid the term "fundamentalism" because of its strong negative connotation to many people and how it can be used to circumvent a sound logical argument.
    Word up!
  • A short list of Buddhist fundamentalism:

    - when you are offered a bonbon, you ask whether they are sure there is no alcohol in it.
    - when people laugh in the monastery, you reprimand them because this is a place of dharma!
    - when people are happy, you tell them they should stop it because life is suffering.
    - when people have a thought of their own, you dismiss that as “opinions”.
    - when the teacher fucks up, you say his wisdom is beyond our comprehension.
    - you look down on “worldly” people.
    - you think of Buddhists (at least when they’re in your group, at least some of them) as a spiritual elite.

    I am working on the extended list, but I have to do some “worldly” things first!
    :)
    LOL! That's perfect!!
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited February 2011
    No, no, you got it wrong, V-heart. #3 is: when people are happy, you tell them to snap out of it, because they're clinging to pleasure
    #4 when people have a thought of their own, you dismiss it as "mental fabrications"
    #5 when the teacher REALLY messes up, you say he/she's from the crazy yogi tradition

    ooh,ooh, can I help you with your extended list? :)
  • When someone disagrees with you its because of their ego..

    You then helpfully inform them that they are angry and to let go of their anger. That usually calms people down. Faces like this also help :eek2: :eek2: :buck: :screwy: :wow: :wow: :werr:
  • LostieLostie Veteran
    edited February 2011
    Perhaps "fundamentalist" is not the right word to use, "conservative" may be a better choice. :)

    But then again, isn't a Buddhist conservative an oxymoron too?
  • MindGateMindGate United States Veteran
    Well that was worth posting.
    How fascinating, thanks for that. :rolleyes:
    That certainly cannot be sarcasm. That is very unBuddhist-like. Surely, Federica, you will now go to level three in the Hell Realms for your unskillful actions. You have produced too much negative karma in this life through your sarcastic speech. To Hell!

    :lol:

  • But then again, isn't a Buddhist conservative an oxymoron too?
    Well, this is interesting. Why do you think that "Buddhist conservative" is an oxymoron? Because the Buddha was a radical guy for his time? But that was a very long time ago, and since then, all manner of doctrines have been frozen in time. But I'm intrigued by your view. :) Care to share?
  • Hi Lostie,

    I think that some people on this forum might consider me a Fundie Buddhist because I quote the Suttas often, especially when supporting an argument. If that makes me a Fundie, that's fine with me.

    But if this is true, then I would also posit that there is such a person as a "Anti-Fundie Buddhist". These are the people who, when they see someone like me quoting the Suttas and don't like what they see, will say things such as "don't mistake the finger for the moon" as a way of disregarding anything scriptual that is quoted against their views.

    Metta,

    Guy
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited February 2011
    Hi Inji,
    It does happen, people calling them self Buddhist and being fundamentalist like in Sri Lanka. There are some pictures of monks in robe throwing stones and lighting fires thus abandoning their precepts. Fundamentalists can be anywhere and anyone.

    I agree with Tom, I think the extremists have lost touch with their religion.
    Extremism and Fundamentalism are not the same thing. The example of monks breaking precepts, by that fact alone, are most likely not fundamentalists by definition.

    Metta,

    Guy
  • @Federica
    Apologies.....my rubbish sense of humour hee hee
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited February 2011
    GuyC I agree with you but thats not the only anti-X behaviour on this forum.

    And for my part I am not critical of quoting scripture as a Fundie act. I am simply not interested in reading a wall of text. Occasionally I will read. And it is more likely to be read if there is connecting text explaining the connection between the scripture and the discussion. SRSC (state relate support conclude).

    Also I am simply never going to read an entire sutra outside my tradition that is given a link, though I know such may be fascinating for a different audience.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    Well that was worth posting.
    How fascinating, thanks for that. :rolleyes:
    That certainly cannot be sarcasm. That is very unBuddhist-like. Surely, Federica, you will now go to level three in the Hell Realms for your unskillful actions. You have produced too much negative karma in this life through your sarcastic speech. To Hell!

    :lol:
    Ah, there speaks the wisdom of youth!
    What would I do without you nipping at my ankles, and keeping me on the straight and narrow, like a herding terrier, dear boy? :D

  • What is a fundamentalist? IMO, it means some one who follow strictly what is written in the scripture. In a sense many Buddhist monks are fundamentalists.
    Being intolerant and violent is not fundamentalism. It is foolish behaviour that cause great suffering.
  • Islam for example teaches peace, patience and tolerance. That is very fundamental to Islam. The people who destroyed Twin Towers on 9/11 are not fundamentalists. They are cruel, violent and foolish.
  • Hi there,

    Buddhism is a very inclusive religion/philosophy/way of life, that's why I think a Buddhist shouldn't be a conservative. :)

    And hey, the Buddha was a radical guy then. But so was Jesus and other early cult leaders.

    But then again, isn't a Buddhist conservative an oxymoron too?
    Well, this is interesting. Why do you think that "Buddhist conservative" is an oxymoron? Because the Buddha was a radical guy for his time? But that was a very long time ago, and since then, all manner of doctrines have been frozen in time. But I'm intrigued by your view. :) Care to share?

  • But then again, isn't a Buddhist conservative an oxymoron too?
    Well, this is interesting. Why do you think that "Buddhist conservative" is an oxymoron? Because the Buddha was a radical guy for his time? But that was a very long time ago, and since then, all manner of doctrines have been frozen in time. But I'm intrigued by your view. :) Care to share?
    ...because of impermanence.
  • GuyCGuyC Veteran
    edited February 2011
    Hi Lostie,
    Buddhism is a very inclusive religion/philosophy/way of life, that's why I think a Buddhist shouldn't be a conservative. :)
    Isn't your view of conservatives itself a form of exclusivism?

    Metta,

    Guy
  • Hi,

    I know what you mean. Buddhism is practised in many shades, so we should respect one another's forms of practice. Nothing is absolute.
    Hi Lostie,
    Buddhism is a very inclusive religion/philosophy/way of life, that's why I think a Buddhist shouldn't be a conservative. :)
    Isn't your view of conservatives itself a form of exclusivism?

    Metta,

    Guy
  • we had a fundamentalist/troll a short while ago.
    He soon goed.
    There have been a few lately, it was weird.
    Also, I read that line as "He soon gooed" :eek:
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    No, he goed.
    He WAS gooed. :p
  • No, no, you got it wrong, V-heart. #3 is: when people are happy, you tell them to snap out of it, because they're clinging to pleasure
    #4 when people have a thought of their own, you dismiss it as "mental fabrications"
    #5 when the teacher REALLY messes up, you say he/she's from the crazy yogi tradition

    ooh,ooh, can I help you with your extended list? :)
    LOL! Ahhhhh....
  • VictoriousVictorious Grim Veteran
    edited February 2011
    If you do not stop badmouthing us Sri Lankan, Theravadians who like to quote scriptures in rebirth threads I'll have to come down there with DD, a pair of pliers and a blowtorch and get real fundamental on all your ass*s soon.

    I'm just saying...

    :grr:
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    Good evening, Vicky, nice to see you back..... ;):D
  • VictoriousVictorious Grim Veteran
    Thanks! Nice to be back. Feeling a wee bit too attached to this place really. Some day I will just have to let it go... :)
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    Try letting go of something completely essential and vital to you first.
    You'll be amazed at how much easier this one will be.....:)
  • VictoriousVictorious Grim Veteran
    You mean like my bottle of GlenDronach 15 years old?

    Hah! You are in conspiracy with my mother. I knew it.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    I am your mother, dolt!!
  • VictoriousVictorious Grim Veteran
    I think I have underestimated the Dark Side...

  • WhoknowsWhoknows Australia Veteran
    A Buddhist fundamentalist is one who believes that there are no fundamentals!
  • They have to be 'mental' and they have to be fun :) I'm at least one of those things!
  • I don't think there's a problem quoting lots of scripture, as long as that scripture is always interpreted and never given supreme conviction unless it works. If you use the scripture to squash foes and as I notice Buddhists on this forum doing, condescending in their minds (it's hard to feign altruism) then you aren't properly following the tenets.

    It seems that the core Buddhist tenets are built against this sort of Christian fundamentalist attitude, that to be a Buddhist fundamentalist necessitates an anti-Christian-like fundamentalism.

    However, conventionally as a fellow westerner, as said by above posters--take a peek around here and you will find "fundamentalists" high and low, that is when they think they aren't blinded by a modicum of ego. Or I suppose that many here have found release?

    As a general rule the "fundamentalist" is without humility. What Buddhists do you know who believe they are always right?
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    We had a couple over the years....
    Bless 'em... hours of frustrating entertainment..... :rolleyes: :shake: :crazy:
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    What Buddhists do you know who believe they are always right?
    Some of them actually ARE always right - the problem is in knowing the difference ;-)
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