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Is it true that some people mistake 1st jhana as enlightenment?

hermitwinhermitwin Veteran
edited February 2011 in Buddhism Basics
I heard that some people who believe they are enlightened are actually not enlightened.

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  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    All of them who say that on the internet are not enlightened. Except for Osho and Eckhardt Tolle. Just kidding.
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited February 2011
    hi

    it is true

    the genuine 1st jhana is extremely, even totally selfless. but it is still not enlightenment

    the fruit of enlightenment, as recorded in the suttas, is dispassion (viraga)

    although the 1st jhana is selfless but does not result in dispassion or the destruction of craving

    warm regards

    :)
    Of all the paths the Eightfold Path is the best; of all the truths the Four Noble Truths are the best; of all things passionlessness (viraga) is the best...

    Maggavagga
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    People believe a lot of things. People also claim lots of things.
    No one really knows for sure.

    “Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people, there is only enlightened activity." - Shunryu Suzuki Roshi
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    (Damn. Screwed on both counts. :shake: )

    :D
  • zenffzenff Veteran
    edited February 2011
    I heard that some people who believe they are enlightened are actually not enlightened.
    I heard that some people who believe they are not enlightened actually are enlightened.

    And so we shouldn’t think too much about what we think, I think ;)
    (Damn. Screwed on both counts. :shake: )

    :D
    I suppose in our religion nobody is screwed in that sense.

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