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Thoughts on KUNDALINI
DaltheJigsaw
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What you think about this video and your personal opinion on Kundalini energy.
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Kundalini experiences are likely to happen to you when you progress with Vipassana meditation, or Taoist dissolving meditation etc...
If the narrator had any idea what he was talking about, he could have made the assumption that the historical Buddha almost certainly did experience the kundalini energy. Hence the narrator would have avoided making these silly speculations.
Reference please.
You can't go making claims of that kind without back-up, I'm afraid....
Just research Tibetan Buddhist Yantra/Tummo.
interesting article here: http://www.buddhanet.net/mag_dy.htm
Tibetan Buddhism proves nothing.
Tibetan Buddhism was established a bucket-load of time after the Buddha passed into parinibbana, and it's an established fact that it incorporated much of Bon, which was then being practised in Tibetan culture.
So most of what it teaches is fabricated and conceived from a Tibetan Buddhist cultural viewpoint, rather than a de facto teaching directly from the Buddha.
http://www.buddhistdoor.com/oldweb/bdoor/archive/nutshell/teach98.htm
If you make the claim, back it up.
you want to state something on forum, YOU do the research.
We're here listening to you, so it's up to you to back your statements up.
Thanks.
The Buddha may have experienced Kundalini as a side-effect of meditation, but we have no way of knowing for sure.
Pre-Bön Religion
Although some people call this pre-7th century religion the Bön Religion, we identify it as the Pre-Bön Religion to differentiate it from its later innovations.
Pre-Bön Religion itself was a combination of two movements. On the one hand, at the grass roots level, it was a popular belief-system dating to pre-historic times. Combining ancient prophecies, rites and shamanistic interpretations of the human spirit and its position in the universe, it offered answers for important issues of pre-historic existence. For example, a shaman might mediate with the spirit world - often using animal sacrifice to do so - to cure an invalid, to prey for rain, or to furnish strategic advice for the village chief.
It was animistic, upholding that spirits are to be found within natural phenomena like trees, mountains, springs and lakes, all of which demanded to be propitiated.
With the rise of the first Tibetan Kings at the beginning of the first millennium, this widespread Pre-Bön Religion was co-opted to legitimise kingly rule. A religious institution, comprised of deities, mythologies, and rituals arose around the court. Priests and priestesses, believed to have superhuman skills, were incorporated within a political framework that involved ceremonies and royal burials.
By the time that King Songtsen Gampo tried to introduce Buddhism in the 7th century, the Pre-Bön Religion was popular throughout Tibet and held significant political sway at court.
Tibetan Buddhism and The Rise of the Bön Religion
The introduction of Buddhism in the 7th and 11th centuries heralded changes for both Pre-Bön Religion and Tibetan Buddhism. After the 11th century the Pre-Bön Religion adopted many aspects of Tibetan Buddhist doctrine, such as Tantric meditation techniques and monasticism to become the Bön Religion. To many spectators this now appears to have developed into its own school of Buddhism. Contemporaneously though, Buddhism in Tibet adopted many aspects of the Pre-Bön, indigenous religion in order to achieve greater popularity."
From here:
http://www.imperialtours.net/tibetan_buddhism.htm
Hope the link I have provided is useful.....
My point exactly.
So the word 'certainly' is inappropriate - not to say inaccurate - here.
Put it to Lincoln.
Originally Brian and he were reluctant to create sub-forums for different traditions, because it tends to cause heightened emotions and subsequently, arguments and division.
You only have to look at, and remember, E-Sangha to know why this is a well-placed and legitimate cautionary attitude....
But now that NB has grown somewhat, I don't know whether they still feel the same, or might re-consider.
It's best to write him a PM.
Link this thread, if you like....
BACK TO TOPIC!
(Who's "Jude"?)
I've never come across anything in Buddhist literature to suggest it is relevant to the buddhist path so I don't see it as anything special. It feels good, but otherwise it's just a distraction.
Tibetan Buddhism was established a bucket-load of time after the Buddha passed into parinibbana, and it's an established fact that it incorporated much of Bon, which was then being practised in Tibetan culture."
Sri Lanka was also not Buddha's culture. So therefore Therevadan Buddhism as it is practiced in a non-written form is also not directly from Buddha. To extend that I doubt that it would be easier to become enlightened solely from reading scripture as opposed to learning from experienced practitioners. Or impossible to learn in cultural isolation (my doubt).
Additionally the Pali Canon is not written by buddha, but is a canon which might have had political elements.
Even doll and video game forums have politics. Workplaces, kindergartens etc.
Forget it, the link is tenuous.....
I have refrained from commenting on personal meditative experience generally, but maybe this should be noted for caution's sake: I may have experienced something similar to tummo, yet it was spontaneous and involved no communication with my teacher, I also experienced chest pain after a while of this experience. I have a small plaque in my cardiac artery that was picked up in a scan a number of years ago, with this in mind I decided to take it easy and not follow this through until I have had the proper guidance from my teacher, although it was never intentional in the first place.
I guess what I'm saying is be careful before playing with fire
All religion is 'fabricated' and culturally sensitive.
whether something is authentic or made up doesn't matter. it may not help you but it may help someone else.
from what i've heard (not my experience) kundalini just happens as a result of either awakening/meditation. it's just the awakening of the root chakra and closing off of the other chakra centers, thus the energy from the root chakra flow upwards towards the crown and is release there.
now many people would say that this brings enlightenment. i think it can for some people and i think it doesn't for some people. it is either the fruits of meditation/awakening or just another phenomena that doesn't relate to anything. only the individual that experiences "this energy" will be able to tell.
i used to not believe in chakras and such, but i have experienced certain chakras, so from my experience i know they exist. but i have never had my kundalini rise up or anything.
has anyone opened their crown using kundalini?
me on Kundalini: :crazy: An advanced meditator on Kundalini: :om:
One main thing that I learned about kundalini that really turned me off, is that supposedly the more you hold your sperm in the more it also raises your kundalini. This is for men I believe (not sure about women). This monk friend of mine is writing a book on celibacy too. But anyways, that's very polar opposite from what I want from the world.
So even if you could be all powerful with kundalini due to holding your sperm in, I don't think it be worth it for me. I feel believing that might just be ignorant and outdated dogma. But like I said even if it is true, I rather be able to orgasm rather than be enlightened.
Only some dress is incorporated, but the practices, deities, understanding, intention, etc. are all from the Indian Tantric tradition.
This is definite. Bon these days is basically just Vajrayana with some minor differences, but the outlook, intention, understanding is the same as Vajrayana of India. All the main tantric scriptures existent in what is called TB are all from India, the Tibetans only commented on them, endlessly.
The main schools of Vajrayana that are still existent today are all based upon Indian Buddhist Tantra. There are many scholarly works one can read that talk about this. The main goal of Vajrayan is no different from what the Buddha taught, it's just from a different capacity.
So essentially I don't think it can work for everyone the same way being a vegetarian can't work for everyone. I love sex and meat too much to ever consider giving up those things long term. Death is guaranteed, might as well live it up.
The Taoists, BTW, seem to have a method of achieving the same, with just a fraction of the time required for the preliminary practices. Maybe so.
(Maybe Leon wasn't expecting his Kundalini thread to get so spicy...^_^ )
Also, you cannot project Theravada precepts onto Vajrayana as the techniques are different. At the same time, Theravada has a monk vinaya path so semen retention goes hand in hand with Theravada monks.
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Of course anything done contrary to samsaric conditioning is going to be hard at first as you have had lifetimes and lifetimes of being conditioned by samsaric nature, such as; to propagate the species, to feed your hunger for the sake of survival, find pleasure and avoid pain through any means necessary. None of which if attached to as the end all be all purpose of life is going to bring you to any of the inward goals of any form of Buddhism.
Theravada monks eat once a day during noon and they don't eat much, and not so much for pleasure either but just to support their body for the sake of inward focused spiritual practice.
Tantra is going to have a different perspective on a whole lot of things that we generally take for granted in life. If you are even interested in spiritual disciplines, that means you want something more out of life beyond the mere pleasure seeking, avoiding of pain which the general masses live their lives conditioned by. Tantra is about transforming the experience of base pleasure into energy for spiritual evolution.
Tantric sex is far more fulfilling, both for you and your partner than worldly animal lust sex. I've practiced Tantric style sex for so long that I've almost forgotten how to have the animal lust version, and sometimes my semen just retains itself without any special effort on my side as I've opened up the inner path for this to happen through disciplined focus for a number of years with a female tantric practitioner. My orgasms are amazing and deeply energizing!! I'm not one of those guys that falls asleep after orgasm, in fact... if I was tired before, I wake up afterwards. At the same time... I'm not promoting myself as a Tantric master, so please don't think that I am. I've just experienced some fruit from the practice and it's life long benefits. Even little things like eating has been enhanced as my senses are more powerful through the practices.