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perversion from noble ways in dreams?

PoisonFlowerzPoisonFlowerz
in Philosophy
remaining noble while awake, but going to sleep then having dreams including thoughts of lust and so forth?

would you say it counts as perversion ?

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  • TreeLuvr87TreeLuvr87 Veteran
    No, I would not. I would continue to cultivate noble and compassionate qualities while awake, so that I can continue to increase noble and compassionate deeds.
    zenff
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    PoisonFlowerz said:

    remaining noble while awake, but going to sleep then having dreams including thoughts of lust and so forth?

    would you say it counts as perversion ?

    If you have received certain vows and refrain from behaviours in the waking moments depending upon your experience of renunciation you may notice non virtue arising in sleep.
  • RebeccaSRebeccaS Veteran
    Are you being noble or are you just repressing your instincts? It could be your subconscious letting you know that you need to address these issues, not hide from them.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    This is a great opportunity. If you can remember the dharma in your dreams or just after waking you can see how the poisons are mind wrought. And remembering the dharma it makes it more likely that you will remember in your waking life. There is no sense in beating yourself up. Traditionally with bad behaviour or thoughts one practices: remorse, antidote, mindfulness, and refuge.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    The images that appear in our dreams most of the time aren't literal. Also there is said to be no accrual of karma for actions taken in dreams.
  • pegembarapegembara Veteran
    PoisonFlowerz said:

    remaining noble while awake, but going to sleep then having dreams including thoughts of lust and so forth?

    would you say it counts as perversion ?

    It would count as an asava or mental fermentations/taints/outflows,an apt description considering how these outflows continue unabated until they all end.
    The Blessed One said, "Monks, the ending of the fermentations is for one who knows & sees, I tell you, not for one who does not know & does not see. For one who knows what & sees what? Appropriate attention & inappropriate attention. When a monk attends inappropriately, unarisen fermentations arise, and arisen fermentations increase. When a monk attends appropriately, unarisen fermentations do not arise, and arisen fermentations are abandoned.

    http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/17284/perversion-from-noble-ways-in-dreams#latest
  • MetallicaMetallica
    PoisonFlowerz said:

    remaining noble while awake, but going to sleep then having dreams including thoughts of lust and so forth?

    would you say it counts as perversion ?

    lol, I doubt you always remain "noble" while awake. :p

    RebeccaS
  • DaozenDaozen Veteran
    Firstly, no - it's not perverted, it's just your subconscious, which you can't control.

    Although if you really want to get into it, google "Dream yoga" or "Lucid dreaming".

    Sweet dreams!
  • footiamfootiam Veteran
    PoisonFlowerz said:

    remaining noble while awake, but going to sleep then having dreams including thoughts of lust and so forth?

    would you say it counts as perversion ?

    It's just a dream; nothing like sleep walking or Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
  • Wisdom23Wisdom23 Veteran
    nope there is no intention behind it.
  • maartenmaarten Veteran
    I think the reaction to the lust in the dream is more interesting than the fact that lust occurred. Don't beat yourself up over the reaction (because in my experience there is less freedom in choosing your response when you are dreaming, things happen more on auto-pilot), but see if you can learn something from it.
  • BhanteLuckyBhanteLucky Alternative lifestyle person in the South Island of New Zealand New Zealand Veteran
    PoisonFlowerz said:

    remaining noble while awake, but going to sleep then having dreams including thoughts of lust and so forth?

    would you say it counts as perversion ?

    No. The Buddha even said if a Teravadan Monk has a hot sexy dream... which ends up being a sticky wet dream... then that's okay, no offence is committed. He acknowledged we don't usually control our dreams.
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